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The result was keep. Randykitty (talk) 13:36, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Southern Cross Route[edit]

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Much of the page fails WP:V. A Google search suggests that the term was only used specifically for Qantas/BCPA transpacific/transatlantic services around the 1950s, and was never used more generally to refer to Europe-Australia service via the Americas. Assuming this is correct, the article would fail WP:NOT and would be better off as a paragraph (or less) in the articles about Qantas/BCPA. Sekicho (talk) 14:36, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The article have no significanct coverage, and possibly fails WP:OR as it suspected when I saw the maintaince tag at the top. Sheldybett (talk) 14:59, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 18:44, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 18:44, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Chile-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 18:44, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Zealand-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 18:46, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. This article, other than a lot of original research, is just a list of airline routes. Nothing notable about the term "Southern Cross Route". Ajf773 (talk) 19:06, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. If there is OR - it can be stubbed down. This is name harks back a while to at least 1928 - Southern Cross (aircraft)([1]). Used in the 70s - [2]. Covered - here quite a bit. Mentioned in this 2018 Telegraph piece, and covered fairly in depth in this 2017 Telegraph piece - which says "Today, the Southern Cross is preferred by a number of carriers, including Air New Zealand, Air France and United.". I could see a scope for a merge (and re-title) with Kangaroo Route (both being Australia/Europe routes - mirror images) - but not for notability reasons. Icewhiz (talk) 06:21, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep In addition to above sources, also seems to be covered in detail in Australians in the air by Greg Copley published 1976. Note that the route may also be discussed in detail in many other sources without being referred to by this specfic name.--Pontificalibus 20:46, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I found these without trying hard at all:
    • "Exchange Of Air Routes In New Agreement". The Canberra Times. Vol. 31, no. 9, 293. Australian Capital Territory, Australia. 7 October 1957. p. 5. Retrieved 13 December 2018 – via National Library of Australia.
    • "GIANT AIRLINER ON PIONEERS' TRACKS". The Sun. No. 12, 186. New South Wales, Australia. 16 February 1949. p. 10 (LATE FINAL EXTRA). Retrieved 13 December 2018 – via National Library of Australia.
    • "Sydney To US In Under Day". Daily Examiner. No. 7118. New South Wales, Australia. 28 January 1953. p. 3. Retrieved 13 December 2018 – via National Library of Australia.
    • "Huge Airliner to Fly Across to Vancouver". The Canberra Times. Vol. 23, no. 6, 822. Australian Capital Territory, Australia. 17 February 1949. p. 3. Retrieved 13 December 2018 – via National Library of Australia.
    • "New Jets Ordered For BCPA". The Advertiser (Adelaide). Vol. 95, no. 29, 421. South Australia. 28 January 1953. p. 1. Retrieved 13 December 2018 – via National Library of Australia.
    • "SMITHY SHOWED IT WAS JUST A POND". Barrier Miner. Vol. LXII, no. 17, 869. New South Wales, Australia. 3 June 1949. p. 2. Retrieved 13 December 2018 – via National Library of Australia.
    • "AS MANY AIRLINES STRUGGLE". Papua New Guinea Post-courier. International, Australia. 17 May 1974. p. 12. Retrieved 13 December 2018 – via National Library of Australia.
    • British Commonwealth Pacific Airlines Limited (1951), Spanning the Pacific : BCPA the Southern Cross route, British Commonwealth Pacific Airlines, retrieved 13 December 2018
Which seems to show sustained coverage, at least 1949 to 1974, and significant coverage, and sufficient depth. Aoziwe (talk) 22:16, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Aoziwe's practical showing of the function of Trove for Australian subjects JarrahTree 13:35, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep but this needs stubification due to the volume of unreferenced content/WP:OR; by the end a merge to Kangaroo route might be reasonable. power~enwiki (π, ν) 04:29, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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