Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Soul metal (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 18:26, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Soul metal[edit]

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this genre does not exist FMSky (talk) 04:24, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. FMSky (talk) 04:24, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Question: has the nominator fulfilled WP:BEFORE? Jack4576 (talk) 05:22, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Editors do not need to overtly state in every nom that they followed BEFORE. It's generally implied, and people generally only ask about it when they they have particular reason to doubt it (liking finding a bunch of sources themselves.) Sergecross73 msg me 15:49, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per the nominator. I'm not able to find any reliable source that mentions soul metal as a real genre; seems to be a very minor thing that maybe some people think about now and then. Nythar (💬-🍀) 07:38, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. I'm not sure why this was recreated, I really don't think this genre is a thing. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 07:58, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Valid hypothetical fusion of music styles, which I wouldn't mind sampling out someday if I find so much as a real example at my usual sources (I'm open to almost any genre possible). Up to others with WP:Library credentials to look up this exact term in the meantime; the Oxford and Gale databases may be a good place to start. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 12:52, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I found a source that actually uses the term soul metal to describe a band called Invasion. You can find the source here: https://thequietus.com/articles/02512-soul-metal-outfit-invasion-on-the-power-of-motown-metallica-and-magic I'm still looking around to see if I can find anything else, and will add it if I do. Moline1 (talk) 14:41, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I found another source that uses this term to describe Natalie Maines (of The Chicks) cover of Jeff Buckley's Lover, You Should've Come Over. https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2013/04/29/natalie-maines-solo-album-streaming/2121801/ Moline1 (talk) 15:04, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, unfortunately those aren't enough. For the article to be kept, there'll need to be enough sources that specifically describe soul metal, the aspects that make it distinct from other types of metal, and so on. That source would also need to be reliable and not be a blog post or opinion piece. Nythar (💬-🍀) 15:12, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If you read The Quietus article, it says that the band Invasion mixes heavy metal with Motown sound. I made sure to note this on the article page. Moline1 (talk) 15:24, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Here's one more source describing usage of the term, this time being used to describe Bill McClintock's soul and metal mashups (E.G. Donna summer mashed with Danzig). McClintock is also claiming coinage of the term as well, but it is clear this term has existed well before his mashups. https://www.loudersound.com/news/danzig-mashed-up-with-donna-summer-is-the-silliest-greatest-thing-youll-hear-this-week If anybody else wants to keep looking, be my guest. I've also inserted these sources on the soul metal article as well as the Wikipedia pages applicable to the source (E.G. Motown sound, Natalie Maines Mother album, etc) Moline1 (talk) 15:22, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The concept of "soul metal" needs to be more thoroughly examined than just that. If every term someone coined had its own Wikipedia article, we'd have possibly hundreds on music genres alone. If these sources are the best there are, then I'm afraid deletion is the most reasonable option. In its current condition, the article requires an unreasonable amount of WP:Synthesis. Nythar (💬-🍀) 15:32, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Let's wait for other users to chime in. They may potentially have sources I'm missing altogether. Moline1 (talk) 15:34, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at my sources I provided, you will see that they show usage of this term. In one source, it also described soul metal as a blending of heavy metal and Motown (at least for the band Invasion). Moline1 (talk) 15:32, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - seems like a massive instance of WP:SYNTH. I'm not seeing the term used commonly, or the WP:SIGCOV that would help it meet the WP:GNG. Sergecross73 msg me 15:50, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I added in a section to the article dedicated to metal artists who are influenced by soul music, but aren't necessarily classified as soul metal. Sevendust is a notable band displaying this kind of influence. Soul music vocals, but not classified as soul metal in the main. Sources are provided to back this up, too, taken from the Sevendust page. Moline1 (talk) 22:59, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You're not really heading in the right direction. There's almost nothing present on the genre itself, veering off on related info isn't helping. You need to find some reliable sources that discuss the genre in great detail, and then expand the article according to that. What you're doing - cherry-picking ever passing mention a source calls a metal artist "soulful" - is not helping prove notability. Sergecross73 msg me 23:53, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Needs more reliable sources. RockabillyRaccoon (talk) 23:26, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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