Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sonny moore

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. John254 00:06, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Sonny moore

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Article about the non notable singer of a notable band – Fails WP:MUSIC “Note that members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases...”. As yet, this is not the case. Suggest a redirect to From First to Last - this continues to be reverted, hence the AfD. See also Sonny Moore, which has been deleted numerous times. Nouse4aname (talk) 19:05, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Keep Sonny Moore is no longer affiliated with From First To Last. There is no need to redirect to the From First To Last page, it makes no sense. He has left the band and has in fact begun a solo career, which is why the page exists. “Note that members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases...”. This is exactly the case, this is exactly what he has done; he has gone solo. Stop constantly deleting his page and redirecting it to From First To Last. Skrillpac (talk) 20:06, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

But he hasn't established notability as a solo artist. Nouse4aname (talk) 20:22, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, he has. [Monster Energy] has recently created an entire profile page dedicated to him and his solo project. His solo project has also been showcased in Alternative Press Magazine, issue 237.4 and Kerrang Magazine numerous times. Since his departure from First First To Last he has even appeared on the cover of Alternative Press Magazine as a solo artist in April of 2008. Skrillpac (talk) 20:30, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

So why don't you put these into the article??? The article does not establish notability. I've looked for decent cites to do this, but all I can find is blogs, youtube, fan site etc. If Skrillpac wishes the article to remain all he/she has to do is improve it. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 20:46, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

If I was aware that random members would come into the page of a person they haven't even heard of and try to get the page deleted without fully doing their research and without a valid reason I would have a long time ago. --Skrillpac ^(Talk) 20:36, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Delete - Loathed to say it, as it would appear that done properly, and in due time, this would be a valid article. Normally I'd suggest moving it to Sonny Moore, but currently there is nothing to suggest that the protection on Sonny Moore should be removed for this article. As it stands it clearly fails WP:MUSIC. It should be removed and a proper article written at Sonny Moore, but only once there's something to establish his notability sourced. Currently there is no mention of record label, hasn't release first album yet, apparently has no notable references outside of myspace, bebo, youtube etc. Cites are all either sourced from a fan site, or don't even mention Sonny Moore. I've tried to get a number of persistent IP editors who have contributed to the article to improve it, but all they appear concerned about is ensuring the link to the fan site remains on the page and are otherwise completely uncommunicative. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 20:30, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Keep. Changed vote to Keep. Article still has problems, but much improved. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 10:33, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Do not delete. If you actually would have read the article, you would have known that Sonny Moore in currently recording his debut solo CD, "Bells", with producer Noah Shain. It is expected to be released fall of 2008. Once again, [Monster Energy] has recently created an entire profile page dedicated to him and his solo project. His solo project has also been showcased in Alternative Press Magazine, issue 237.4 and Kerrang Magazine numerous times. Since his departure from First First To Last he has even appeared on the cover of Alternative Press Magazine as a solo artist in April of 2008. He has received much notability as a solo artist.--Skrillpac ^(Talk) 20:50, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Then provide citations to prove this notability. As yet he has not released anything as a solo artist. Nouse4aname (talk) 07:56, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

• This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 14:02, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Oops. My bad. Well done little bot. Nouse4aname (talk) 19:50, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

• I'm not really comfortable with this being a full article at the moment, considering the artist has yet to establish himself as a solo artist. He's toured, yes, and had some magazine articles, but without an actual album out, I'd be more comfortable with a redirect to FFTL from the proper capitalization at this time. That's not to say that he's not going to be notable when the album drops and the buzz picks up, I just feel he's not quite notable outside of his work with FFTL, yet. Tony Fox (arf!) 17:28, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Keep. I'm not comfortable with a redirect to From First To Last. I think it's disrespectful to both the members of the band and Sonny, as well as the fans. They no longer wish to be affiliated with one another. Do you realize how upsetting it would be if you're trying to leave your past behind you, but there always has to be that one person who wants to keep mentioning his former band? He's trying to receive notability as a solo artist, but how can he when he always has people who want to affiliate him with From First To Last? He's moved on from the band, let him be. Do not redirect to From First To Last, and do not delete. Skrillpac (arf!) 18:16, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

One opinion per person, please. As I say, if the album gets him established firmly as a solo artist, then we can certainly go back from the redirect to a full - properly sourced - article. Tony Fox (arf!) 02:09, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

• Strong Keep - a notable singer, who was in a very well known band, and now has his own side project that has even gained media attention within the industry --T-rex 14:24, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
• Redirect, for now. It's not "disrespectful". He was a member of the band, for crying out loud! Once he garners more substantial media coverage and success as a solo artist, the article can be re-created. —Hello, Control ^{Hello, Tony} 18:11, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.