Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Song Xiaobao

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Interesting development since listing, plus unrelated individual: WP:GNG,WP:NACTOR wangi (talk) 02:25, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Song Xiaobao[edit]

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Contested PROD, subject appears to fail notability guidelines at WP:ENTERTAINER. Only one minor role in a notable work. When I went looking for sources, I found an (unrelated) female basketball player. Ifnord (talk) 05:49, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Poor sourcing (IMDb and YouTube), and lack of articles on page to support notability. sixtynine ^{• whaddya want? •} 05:56, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:44, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:44, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete If Mr Song had appeared on the CCTV Spring Festival Gala, then he would certainly justify inclusion: the format of the show means that he would have had substantial screen time on the world's most popular television show, with the approval of the Politburo. But if you read the cited article carefully, it only says that he has appeared on the gala on Liaoning provincial TV, which is not the same thing at all. Matt's talk 02:14, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Song Xiaobao is (arguably) the second most famous actor of the er ren zhuan genre of all time, after his master Zhao Benshan. There is enough biographical coverage in Chinese media outlets to justify an article: [1] [2] [3] [4]; there's also a lot of media coverage of his shows over the past decade to establish the existence of persistent coverage, e.g. [5] (2016), [6] (2014), [7] (2012). This Google search gives some indication of the level of media coverage he receives. Deryck C. 17:44, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to allow time for consideration of sources presented later in the discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:25, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The content and references added as WP:HEYMANN since the nomination for AfD do demonstrate that the subject is notable. While I'm not certain how reliable the biographical source links provided by Deryck are, the news articles do seem reliable. He certainly meets WP:GNG, and it seems that he has had significant roles in multiple productions, so he may meet WP:NACTOR as well. RebeccaGreen (talk) 05:49, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The (unrelated) female basketball player is Song Xiaobo, not Song Xiaobao. Timmyshin (talk) 00:09, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Timmyshin: I think everybody in this discussion is clear that actor Song Xiaobao and basketball player Song Xiaobo are two different people. Would you please explain why you want the article on the actor Song Xiaobao deleted? Deryck C. 11:23, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not everyone is clear that their names are also spelled differently in both the Latin script and the Chinese script. I believe you also know this, sometimes different Chinese names have the same romanization, for example Li Peng (footballer) and Li Peng. Sometimes the same Chinese name can be rendered differently, for example Liu O is most likely Liu E. But Song Xiaobo is not only not Song Xiaobao, her Chinese name is also completely different. Not only written differently, but also not a homonym in any Chinese topolect as far as I know. Although "Bao" is sometimes romanized as "Bo" (e.g. Fung Bo Bo), "Xiaobao" is definitely distinct from "Xiaobo" in any possible romanization. Timmyshin (talk) 15:29, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Timmyshin: I think we've crossed wires here - can you please explain your "delete" opinion? Similarity of names is not a valid deletion rationale. Deryck C. 18:20, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Deryck Chan. Nobody is confusing the male actor with the female basketball player here. The similarity of their names is not a rationale for deletion. -Zanhe (talk) 06:14, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep - famous Chinese comedian and actor who won the Huading Award at least twice. See award video and news article. -Zanhe (talk) 05:52, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Well known comedy actor, 14 million search results on Google in Chinese. Esiymbro (talk) 04:38, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.