Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Social Research and Action Center (2nd nomination)

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The result was deleted. bd2412 T 20:36, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Social Research and Action Center[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG The Banner talk 13:52, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Search of the translated article under its french name, Centre de recherche et d'action sociales, produces additional results which seem to me to satisfy the criterion of Deep coverage: "provides an organization with a level of attention that extends well beyond routine announcements and makes it possible to write more than a very brief, incomplete stub". Also, it meets the audience criterion with coverage which is national. The independence of sources criterion seems to be satisfied by references which show inclusion in independently published books as well as in several of the footnotes which satisfy the independent source criterion. Since English is the most commonly spoken language worldwide, I think that this article on a notable French NGO deserves to be translated into the English Wikipedia.

Please check all my latest additions: [1], [2], published book quoted in [3], a much more detailed history of the center carried in an independent source, the annual, four-day conference carried on the Catholic schools' website, [4], an independent commendation of its website, the prominence given to its editorializing in an independent journal, [5]. And what of the two works quoted in the original French article (and included in my references)? Jzsj (talk) 14:02, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"The prominence given to its editorializing in an independent journal" is in fact nothing more than ONE mention of the name. Nothing more. Inégaux devant la mort. Gaël Giraud,jésuite, économiste, Ceras (Centre d'étude et de recherche en action sociale) The Banner talk 19:14, 26 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Let's get into an analysis:--

As to your first reference, the publisher states Créée en 1907 par les jésuites et éditée par le Centre de recherche et d’action sociales (Ceras) which translates to Created in 1907 by the Jesuits and edited by the Center for Social Research and Action (Ceras)

We need independent sources.

A library houses a journal which is published by CERAS

So??

The much more detailed history is another sister-catholic-site.

Non-independent.

General Secratariat of Catholic eduation mentions that CERAS is going to hold a conference.

I guess you've mis-thought that organizations holding conferences automatically qualifies for a WP article.They don't.

The televison reccomendation was by a local catholic channel.

Relevance, as to global notability and independence, gone for a toss.

The prominence given to its editorializing in an independent journal is the bare and basic fact that one of the members of CERAS wrote an article in La Croix, a Roman Catholic newspaper.

Stop indulging in over-exaggerative-lying.

Two sources, from Riposte Catholique are not accessible in India or is down.

What surprises me is that your competency seems to be on a near-constant level and probably decreasing. Learn some calculus, eh?! ∯WBG^converse 11:34, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. GameInfirmary Talk 16:48, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Finding it tough to get English language sources on "Social Research and Action Center", but it looks like there could be a number of sources for "Popular Action" or "Action Populaire". These organizations the same thing, right? It might help the Keep argument if some English language sources covering "Action Populaire" were inserted. NickCT (talk) 17:09, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 18:13, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 18:13, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete a search for the French name ("Centre de recherche et d'action sociales") and its location in La PLaine Saint-Denis) returns very little. For something that has been open 110 years, there should be a lot of coverage.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 20:15, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as the added sources including books are enough for a close pass of WP:GNG, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 18:27, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment -- A ministry with 14 staff and 4 volunteers and 114 years old may be more significant than a local church. If kept, it should be under its actual name (in French). Peterkingiron (talk) 16:52, 26 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete--Nothing in reliable sources (not even French dailies et al).Also see my analysis of Jzsj's sourcing, above.∯WBG^converse 11:34, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination, and per dissection of sourcing by Winged Blades of Godric, above. -The Gnome (talk) 10:37, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom - no notable Ghits in either English or French. Fails WP:GNG. Kirbanzo (talk) 20:09, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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