Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Slim 400

Add links
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. From my evaluation of the discussion below, this subject does not meet our guidelines for inclusion at this time due to WP:1EVENT.

Thanks everyone for participating and if you disagree with this decision please take it to Wikipedia:Deletion review - unless there is a tech issue. Thanks for assuming good faith and happy holidays! Missvain (talk) 04:11, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Slim 400[edit]

[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!

Slim 400 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)
(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Fails WP:BASIC, WP:ANYBIO, and WP:MUSICBIO. No indication of awards or charted songs. Unable to locate any significant biographical details in secondary sources, other than news reports of his murder (where the media made mention of his interest in rapping, and his previous brush with death by gunfire). Magnolia677 (talk) 22:38, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep, Slim was known around the world in the hiphop scene. The only people that don't know who he is are Wikipedia editors that have no idea what is going on in the world outside of their twitter and reddit feeds. It's interesting how this is up for debate but apparently fine to create a page for every single abject failure that has more than 100k followers on a social media website or youtube. Slim's death was international news and is still an ongoing event. He was notable, despite what wikijannies believe. The Wikipedia policy is abused and bent for every other purpose yet a notable event and artist such as Slim is a problem? This site just keeps getting more embarrassing and hypocritical as the years roll by. It is no surprise to anyone why people don't wish to contribute to this site anymore, don't bother to donate when you're begging for shekels, or believe it has any credibility left. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.114.117.43 (talk) 08:58, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, his death was covered in international and national news, there are sources. Pikavoom (talk) 14:23, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep As Pikavoom mentioned, his death was covered by multiple reliable hiphop news website. Passes WP:GNG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brayan ocaner (talk • contribs) 08:53, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
All of the sources cited are news reports about his death. None of the sources are biographies of his musical talent, written prior to his death. No charted songs; no awards. He fails WP:MUSICBIO. Moreover, WP:VICTIM does not support notability either, as he is only famous for one event (being shot on two different occasions), and his death did not play a "large role within a well-documented historic event". In other words, if I was gunned down and one of my neighbors told all the reporters at the bloody scene that "he was a devoted Wikipedia editor!", I have no doubt the headline in all of the newspapers would be, "Famous Wikipedia Editor Shot in Cold Blood". But that wouldn't make me notable enough for my own Wikipedia article. Magnolia677 (talk) 12:07, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wrong, other sources below. Being shot twice, once in 2019 and once in 2021, both times with international coverage of the shooting is two events, not one. Pikavoom (talk) 07:19, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Only having coverage due to his death is WP:ONEVENT. SL93 (talk) 02:36, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • DeleteMagnolia677 is correct. I had a look at the RS for this article - *ALL* of them are about his death. There's nothing here featuring him, establishing notability, that is independent of the event of his death. WP:ONEVENT applies here. Deathlibrarian (talk) 23:30, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 04:23, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Indeed, as mentioned above, every bit of RS coverage he received was because of his murder, and sadly, news coverage of a murder victim is routine. Outside of that, there is no other evidence of recognition of any kind that would indicate notability. ShelbyMarion (talk) 22:40, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It's not right to call two shootings in two different decades "one event"; his previous shooting got covered in-depth by a high quality source Los Angeles Times [1]; this is the best quality source in his area. A unknown person would not get this. A UK/international tabloid; Evening Standard covered it too. [2]. The Fader (which is a good source for modern hip-hop) covers him before any of these shootings. [3] or [4]. Stereogum; a big internet music source covers him [5]; in 2014 - long before the two different shootings. Hard to sort through the amount of bad sources, but there's heaps of stuff on him that pre-date his death and probably more out there. [6]. Calling two shootings in different decades "oneevent" is already a stretch but this is atleast over 7 years of coverage (although bare). He just makes it and the way of his death pushes him over the barrier and because of the previous slight coverage - not completely a ONEEVENT case. GuzzyG (talk) 13:25, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Of the six sources you listed, only this one was not trivial. The rest were news reports of his shooting, or paragraph-long mentions of him. Magnolia677 (talk) 16:31, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Which is meant to counter the claim of "All of the sources cited are news reports about his death"; there is coverage prior to his death, which may be argued as minor, but combined with the coverage of his death (and prior shooting); combine to create a overall package of just passes the line notability. There's an example set here with Halyna Hutchins; "slain rappers" may be bottom-of-the-barrel to some people, but we have established precedence on this site that some minor previous coverage combined with a highly reported on death counts and that this would create an exception in how we treat this subject compared with Hutchins. Is there a policy guideline for why we should treat two careers different? Or do we say that murdered rappers are common, so we should not follow other examples of this same thing? Minor previous career with SOME previous coverage, combined with a higher profile death have nearly always resulted in an article for the subject. I see no difference on why this doesn't apply here other than the assumption that being a rapper makes this common, so we should not go by established (Hutchins) precedent. GuzzyG (talk) 09:52, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:ONEEVENT. Also fails WP:MUSICBIO due to lack of chart activity and no notable work, as his career was more about coattailing bigger stars like YG rather than his own music. Two weeks later his article still has next to no content, and the only coverage from reliable sources is about his death. Slain rappers will always make headlines no matter how bottom-of-the-barrel they are, and this is no exception. sixtynine • whaddya want? • 06:39, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The one event argument doesn't hold water. His death by shooting was covered internationally in 2021: [7][8]. His non-fatal shooting was covered internationally in 2019: [9][10][11]. So that's two events, two entirely separate shootings receiving international coverage. There is also some coverage of his music and other issues ([12], [13], [14], [15]) in between all this shooting coverage. Pikavoom (talk) 07:11, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think you're interpreting this "one event" thing literally to mean one event. In other words, a non-notable rapper being shot is a non-notable event, but a non-notable rapper being shot again a few years later means... 1+1= ...hey, he's notable now! It doesn't work that way. Magnolia677 (talk) 16:39, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The LA Times covered his first shooting because he was from, wait for it, Los Angeles. The four other sources don't hold up either as it's 6ix9ine and not Slim 400 who's the headliner in what are all clickbait articles. Meanwhile there's zilch out there about his music because he produced no noteworthy work. He's not Drakeo the Ruler by any stretch of the imagination. Kvetch all you want about WP:ONEEVENT but he easily fails WP:MUSICBIO by a landslide. sixtynine • whaddya want? • 19:46, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The LA Times doesn't cover all LA shootings, there are too many. The Independent is not from LA, it is not from America, and it covered his death in two separate pieces: [16][17]. Pikavoom (talk) 08:25, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete low-profile individual involved in two shootings, one of them unfortunately fatal. At best we should move the article to the event (Shooting of Slim 400), but the event itself does not pass the WP:EVENT guideline. Cavarrone 19:01, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Public figure, reported on in multiple years, dating back to 2014 [18] (including the different shootings); considering Halyna Hutchins was kept in similar circumstances with just as minor prior coverage and a shorter career, with no event article.. policy wise, what is the difference, am i missing something? Hutchins set a case of minor previous coverage of a artist combined with a shooting death combines to invalidate ONEVENT. Can't say Hutchins death is more high profile as that is the ONEEVENT, it was a combination of minor work and death, which applies here exactly the same. GuzzyG (talk) 23:32, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@GuzzyG: Please take a moment to read WP:WHATABOUT. Magnolia677 (talk) 08:52, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Is it WHATABOUT to say; this case is precedent for a minor reported on career before death; plus death combining to overall together pass notability guidelines? Because as far as i'm aware; (Case citation) and Precedent is a legit thing in this circumstance. If this is different on Wiki; that's my bad - but it's normal practice elsewhere in academia. GuzzyG (talk) 10:55, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Slim_400&oldid=1062080369"