Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Slaveevi Noshti
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was No concensus (default keep).JERRY talk contribs 02:20, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Slaveevi Noshti[edit]
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Non-notable dance festival. Googling for it only yields 130 hits, and there is no article for it on the Bulgarian Wiki (see here). — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 06:40, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete if it's that non-notable, why wasn't it tagged for speedy deletion in the first place? Pumpmeup 06:44, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Probably because HA didn't see this as something which fits speedy deletion criteria. Just being non-notable doesn't qualify something for speedy deletion. From WP:CSD: "Where reasonable doubt exists, discussion using another method under the deletion policy should occur instead". Along the same lines, this article doesn't meet the A7 criteria (which is what you tagged it with), since it's a festival. Tijuana Brass (talk) 07:31, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Exactly. It doesn't really fit any of the CSD criteria (not a band, group, bio, etc) and AfD will get the job done all the same. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 07:35, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Probably because HA didn't see this as something which fits speedy deletion criteria. Just being non-notable doesn't qualify something for speedy deletion. From WP:CSD: "Where reasonable doubt exists, discussion using another method under the deletion policy should occur instead". Along the same lines, this article doesn't meet the A7 criteria (which is what you tagged it with), since it's a festival. Tijuana Brass (talk) 07:31, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hello,
I'm declining the speedy on this article as it does make sense, it asserts notability, and has plenty of reference sources. This is a national festival and competition which has been held for more than 37 years and is dedicated to the most famous and beloved Bulgarian composer. There's plenty of references and newspapers articles written about it, they are just not in English, but in Bulgarian.
Here are some examples: http://www.bourgas.org/bourgas-news-9454-bg.html#, http://events.dir.bg/_wm/news/news.php?nid=21995&df=5787&dflid=3. Here's the official schedule on the town's site http://aitos.org/info.php?id=478&cat_parent=414. Here are some pictures from the festival: http://www.snimka.bg/album.php?album_id=42796&photo=7).
If this festival was not notable, it wouldn't be published or written about by the Ministry of Culture either: http://www.mc.government.bg/calc.php?c=497&q=%F4%EE%EB%EA%EB%EE%F0%ED%E8.
Finally, I intend to translate this article into Bulgarian and Spanish as well.
Thank you! --NeoOrpheus (talk) 07:30, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep per the sources existing.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 15:11, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete unless better sources are provided. The sources all appear to be of the "local news" variety. Any town's newspaper will publish information about a local event, but let's see national coverage of it before we declare that this small town event is notable. Corvus cornixtalk 19:23, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- How can you tell? They're all in Bulgarian, and I'm guessing that there's only one person in this AfD who can translate and make a claim either way. If the article does fail WP:N, that's one thing, but if we're guessing that it fails it because we can't read the language which the citations are in, that's just speculation. I haven't the slightest idea whether the articles are local or national in focus. I tend to hold to a pretty strict standard of notability myself, but articles shouldn't be deleted based on us guessing that a source may be insufficient because we can't translate it. Tijuana Brass (talk) 08:27, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I can tell by looking at the URL of the links and seeing that it's a page devoted to local news for this small town. Corvus cornixtalk 18:18, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- That's exactly what I'm saying - that's pure speculation. Short of a URL reading something like http://www.news.com/thisisdevotedtolocalnewsthatisnotofnationalimportance/article.html, you can only guess. And aside from the site at aitos.org, we've got one from the Ministry of Culture, one from a newspaper serving a town of over 200,000, and one that I can't guess at... so we're just guessing at possibly identifying one of the sources above as weak. If we're going to challenge sources, we need to do it based on something more solid than guessing at URLs. Tijuana Brass (talk) 00:28, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- You don't think events.dir.bg, bourgas.org/bourgas-news, aitos.org and obshtina-aitos.comnet.bg/more-news.php aren't local news pages? Corvus cornixtalk 17:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't think anyone can make that assumption based on the URL, no. Not any more than you would tell by the URL that http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22484066/ is about U.S. election campaigns and http://www.slate.com/id/2181279/ is on oil prices. Tijuana Brass (talk) 00:10, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- You don't think events.dir.bg, bourgas.org/bourgas-news, aitos.org and obshtina-aitos.comnet.bg/more-news.php aren't local news pages? Corvus cornixtalk 17:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- That's exactly what I'm saying - that's pure speculation. Short of a URL reading something like http://www.news.com/thisisdevotedtolocalnewsthatisnotofnationalimportance/article.html, you can only guess. And aside from the site at aitos.org, we've got one from the Ministry of Culture, one from a newspaper serving a town of over 200,000, and one that I can't guess at... so we're just guessing at possibly identifying one of the sources above as weak. If we're going to challenge sources, we need to do it based on something more solid than guessing at URLs. Tijuana Brass (talk) 00:28, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I can tell by looking at the URL of the links and seeing that it's a page devoted to local news for this small town. Corvus cornixtalk 18:18, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- How can you tell? They're all in Bulgarian, and I'm guessing that there's only one person in this AfD who can translate and make a claim either way. If the article does fail WP:N, that's one thing, but if we're guessing that it fails it because we can't read the language which the citations are in, that's just speculation. I haven't the slightest idea whether the articles are local or national in focus. I tend to hold to a pretty strict standard of notability myself, but articles shouldn't be deleted based on us guessing that a source may be insufficient because we can't translate it. Tijuana Brass (talk) 08:27, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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