Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Siobhan Meow

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep, no consensus to delete. Merge proposals do not belong on AfD. -- Visviva 13:18, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Siobhan Meow

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Non-notable radio show guest. Article has no third party reliable sources (only sources are Stern show website and a new york times article that doesn't mention his/her name.) Needs to be severely cut down and merged to the Wack pack article. — Ocatecir^T 00:01, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

• Comment. If you want to merge this rather than delete it, AfD is probably not the place. Capitalistroadster 02:13, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Well its already there, I want the history deleted so it can't be simply reverted. — Ocatecir^T 03:40, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Merging from this article and then deleting the history would be a violation of the GFDL; this is why it is not appropriate to bring merge proposals to AfD. On the other hand, "merge and redirect" is a valid outcome of an AfD discussion. DHowell 03:46, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

• Merge and redirect this is fairly well referenced compared to other Stern show related individuals, but it still isn't enough to maintain a verifiable page. Optigan13 05:25, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 06:37, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Subject's inclusion in the Howard Stern media empire has made them one of the most well-known trans people in the world which is no small feat. I wouldn't expect to see many sources outside the Howard Stern show as the show itself documents it's own work and people so unless someone writes a book or pulls a stunt they pretty much stay in their universe. Siobhan Meow has been cited in some articles about squatters rights in NYC so that certainly could be added to article as well. Also the article about the Wack Pack folks is already pretty lengthy so re-adding this there would seem to hurt both. Suggest better writing and quoting show transcipts of appearances. Benjiboi 08:23, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

  So by your own admission the subject doesn't have many sources outside of the stern universe. How do you reconcile this with WP:BIO's requirement of significant coverage by independent third party reliable sources as the threshold for notability? — Ocatecir^T 09:11, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

  I don't know that I need to. Subject was plucked from obscurity and made famous by Howard Stern and his related media. Few if any other media outlets gain much by re-circulating Howard Stern content and may even be prevented from doing so. If "significant coverage by independent third party reliable sources" is the standard then much of WP is much worse off than this article. Benjiboi 21:38, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. For third party reliable sources which do mention the name, see this 2006 article from The Brooklyn Rail, and this 2002 article from City Limits. DHowell 03:46, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.