Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Silviu Mihăilă

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The result was delete. Despite legal threats, canvassing, multiple SPAs and other issues, there is consensus that the subject does not meet the notability guidelines for inclusion at this time. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 01:19, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Silviu Mihăilă[edit]

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I'm already pretty angry with the way this guy's gone about promoting himself: using four accounts (Silviu Alexandru Mihaila, Sebastianandrei, Loyd Sebastian and Martin Harlow), he's persistently removed speedy-deletion tags. The latest is that he tagged my talk page for deletion. Definitely seems to have that opera-diva personality.

Anyway, let's look at the sources he's put up in his autobiography, other than his own website and CV.

No mention of him
No mention
No mention
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Barest passing mention
Self-published personal statement
Passing mention in a list of names
No mention

Can we agree that this individual doesn't pass any of the relevant policies, that this article should be deleted and he should leave us alone? - Biruitorul ^Talk 13:35, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I've started the SPI page for the editors here. --Finngall ^talk 13:45, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Romania-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:57, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:57, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Due to the deletion notice being deleted multiple times from multiple accounts (possibly all sockpuppets) I have semiprotected the article for a week. Closing admin: if the decision is keep, please unprotect the page when closing. Waggers TALK 14:07, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Silviu Mihaila is both an incredible singer and a wonderful person. The description offered by Mr. Biruitorul does not match Silviu Mihaila's personality. The delition of this wiki article would be an enourmous mistake. I have seen quite a lot of articles on Wikipedia. This article, in my opinion, is completly acceptable (although some small improvements could be considered). Dany — 2a02:2f09:334f:ffff::4f71:55b0 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 20:26, June 30, 2014‎ (UTC).

Again, personal opinion doesn't help towards notability. Cowlibob (talk) 18:35, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICIAN --Finngall ^talk 03:43, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment In my opinion in life there are 2 kinds of people. The ones who build you up and the ones who tear you down. Most of them are like this " Biruitorul" who doesn't have other occupation just to satisfy his ill-founded trifles and to minimize the work and the up of somebody like Silviu who really love what he's doing and who is truly promising for the future in his field. It is very disappointing to see such narrow mentality and I don't agree with this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2F0E:622F:FFFF:0:0:4F70:3308 (talk) 05:47, 1 July 2014 (UTC) — 2A02:2F0E:622F:FFFF:0:0:4F70:3308 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Please refrain from making personal attacks. Discuss content not the editors, if you feel aggrieved there are other places for that. Repeated attacks can lead to being blocked. WP:PA Cowlibob (talk) 18:35, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree deleting Silviu's page. He is a very talented singer who worked a lot to be where he is now,he deserves a great career and he must be promoted,so everyone could listen to his wonderful voice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.97.87.47 (talk) 06:17, 1 July 2014 (UTC) — 78.97.87.47 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Personal opinion doesn't count towards notability. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia not a place for advertising. Cowlibob (talk) 18:35, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom's thorough analyses of "sources" used in said article. —MelbourneStar☆^talk 07:06, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - the only references in third party reliable sources are passing mentions. The subject does not (yet) have sufficient coverage to meet the notability criteria. Waggers TALK 14:33, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Non-notable. Can't find any significant independent reliable coverage. He may become notable in the future but he isn't right now. Cowlibob (talk) 18:35, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete due to poor sourcing, subject to later re-creation or userfication. This singer appears to be up and coming, as noted "truly promising for the future in his field ...", but not yet notable. Bearian (talk) 19:57, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

P.S., for what it's worth, my partner sang chorus for Deborah Voigt. I was also attorney for the estate of an operatic baritone. Bearian (talk) 19:59, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I cannot find a single shred of evidence that Mr. Mihăilă passes any of the GNG guidelines in any field. The "sources" used are laughable, and none other are to be found -- as a Romanian speaker, I've had a glance, just to be sure. For sure Mr. Mihăilă can come back if he has a more notable presence in his field, which is entirely feasible -- he is just beginning his career; but maybe then he will be busy enough to allow someone other than himself to write the entry. Dahn (talk) 22:34, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - "wonderful person" maybe, buy pretty disgraceful behaviour here. Dishonesty gets your nowhere and the threats are pretty pathetic. The subject obviously doesn't meet our inclusion criteria. Suggest consideration be given to salting the title. St★lwart¹¹¹ 00:05, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete No indication of notability. No reliable sources. The only Gnews hit is the subject's website. Considering the puppetry and legal threats, recommend Salt as well. Edward321 (talk) 00:44, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I went through each of the sources as well and concur with nom. There is a serious lack of sourcing of any form for the subject of the article, excepting the usual social media sorts. @Sebastianandrei: the issue isn't that he is or isn't a good singer. He could be the next Pavarotti or Bocelli for all we know. Our personal opinions count for nothing. What counts is that there is solid reliable sources that reflect what is written into Wikipedia. Taking your examples of Bieber and Gaga, the reason they have substantial articles is that there is extensive sourcing of them. The important part of the sourcing is that the source devotes substantial coverage to them or are entirely focused on them. If it mentions them in passing, as was the case in 2 of your sources, then that does not count. The other part of the problem is probably that many of the sources which would be considered reliable are in Romanian and would not show in an English only search. Non-english sources are perfectly acceptable in some cases, so if you or perhaps someone from WikiProject Romania are able to obtain such reliable sourcing then there may be a change in consensus. Blackmane (talk) 09:35, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment With a cursory search of Romanian sources, I was able to verify that coverage of Mr. Silviu Mihăilă is lacking there as well. There are a few hits to his facebook account, a self-promotional article he wrote in a local newspaper, some passing mentions, and that's about it. Note that the search overlaps with results for another Silviu Mihăilă, who is a young academic and author of works on literary history (and who has marginal notability, in any case more that the very young opera singer). Puff-piece from a Romanian perspective as well. Dahn (talk) 11:39, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.