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The result was delete.  Sandstein  19:46, 19 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Siege of Kapisa[edit]

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Deleted before at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Siege of Kapisa, there are still no reliable sources saying that there was a siege at Kapisa. Even if there was a battle and capture, there doesn't seem to have been a siege - and any battle or capture should be inAncient Kapisa although this shouldn't be a redirect as without any suggestion of a siege no one is likely to use this to search. Reading the AfD, even User:Ariobarza seems to admit there are no sources calling it a siege. The Behistun inscription doesn't use the word siege - Full translation of the Behistun Inscription The source in Greek in this article was also used in the original article. The other sources (except for one used to locate the modern city) are:

[1] Then, in some way he managed to capture it.[2] In vengeance for the ruthless resistance (which in that area was common at the time) he destroyed it, or perhaps might have burned it first.[3] But the greatly preserved ruins are still seen today. Doug Weller (talk) 11:35, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as original research. No improvement on last time as far as I can see. Only primary sources are used and the reference to Xenophon's Cyropaedia (a historical romance) does not seem to support what it claims to. --Folantin (talk) 11:56, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree it was never called a siege, and perhaps all that is needed is a name change. Then again darius says in the Behistun Inscriptions : I captured the city. (Something like that). That seems to be pointing to a siege. Then again there are no sources so that theory is out. Maybe it should be called the capture of Kapisa? Or the destruction of kapisa though capture seems more neutral.

And you are right there are no scholars sources...yet. though I want to say scholars can forget things especially small things lIke some siege at some unimportant place barely mentioned by Pliny the Elder, wiki policy says must be scholars soures and since there are non let's not waste time, just delete thid article already!! History of Persia (talk) 20:50, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Merge (or just redirect) to Ancient Kapisa. Nevertheless, Pliny (a Roman author) seems an unlikely source on Afghan history. There has been some WPan who has been determined to apply a "battle/war" infobox to every ancient conflict, and this has generated a lot of inappropriate articles on events where would be required to go beyond some very scanty facts. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:48, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I don't know that there's much here to merge, but I guess leaving a redirect in place is easy enough. Still, since there wasn't an actual siege (or at least there aren't sources calling it a siege) I think deleting is probably the best course. Just because a battle is briefly mentioned in an ancient text doesn't mean we need to have a separate article on it. AniMate 03:18, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete no redirect, as there is no source for a "siege". Given the existing sources, the taking of Kapisa is worth a single sentence in the history section of the Kapisa Province article, which at present does not mention it. It is doubtful that it is even worth mentioning in the Cyrus article. --Bejnar (talk) 03:02, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

  1. ^ Cunningham, Alexander The Ancient Geography of India: New Eln. Ed. / Foreword by B. Ch., Chhabra ; Introd. by Asim Kumar, Chatterjee ; Additional Notes by Jamna Das, Akhtar. Published by Bhartiya Pub. House, (1975) p. xxix.
  2. ^ Sharma, Har Dutt Poona Orientalist: A Quarterly Journal Devoted to Oriental Studies ... Published by The Oriental Book Agency., 1942. Item notes: v.7-9 (1942)-1944 p. 48. Original from the University of Michigan. Digitized Mar 16, 2006.
  3. ^ George, James, and Forlong, Roche Faiths of Man: A Cyclopædia of Religions Published by B. Quaritch, (1906) p. 426.
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