Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Siege of Cardiff

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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 19:51, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Siege of Cardiff[edit]

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Siege not mentioned, neither by the chroniclers, neither by nowadays historians. The arrival of an army in a city doesn't justify the creation of an article. Edouard2 (talk) 16:32, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - agreed - can't find any sources to say there was any siege. Eastfarthingan (talk) 17:34, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Wales-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 17:16, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 17:16, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 17:16, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Agricolae (talk) 20:12, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Agree with nominator and Eastfarthingan. A good glance, what siege? BlueD954 (talk) 13:34, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 12:08, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Not every military action is notable. As noted above there seems to be serious doubt as to whether this can even be classed as a siege, and there is nothing I can find to suggest that this was a particularly significant engagement/battle. The capture of Edward II and Hugh Despenser the Younger was notable, but while this article seems to imply that was at Cardiff the Invasion of England (1326) article says it happened near Llantrisant, the Edward II article says "north of Caerphilly" and Hugh Despenser the Younger's article states "near Neath". While all of these are relatively near Cardiff, they are far enough away that they would not be directly caught up in a "siege" of the city. Whatever the case I think the main Invasion of England (1326) article is the place that the final fall of forces loyal to Edward II can be covered rather than needing a separate article for these events (though I would note that its title "Invasion of England" is perhaps misleading, given that this was more of a civil war and clearly involved Wales as wellas England). Dunarc (talk) 21:44, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete lacks RS. Mztourist (talk) 04:14, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -- Like the Cambridge article on which I have just voted, the tone of this article is FAKE NEWS. Alison Weir's biography of Isabella (p.234) indicates that Edward II was at Cardiff on 26 October, when Bristol fell (after 8 days siege by an army of 2000). Dispenser surrendered at Bristol because public opinion was with Isabella. Her description of subsequent events does not mention Cardiff further. The king and younger Dispenser moved to Caerphilly Castle by 29th, then to Gower and Neath. Edward surrendered to the Earl of Lancaster on 16 November (Weir, pp.236-8). His efforts to raise troops on the lands of supporters in the marcher lordships of south Wales had been a failure. Note that these were not part of his realm of England or the Principality of Wales, merely being under his suzerainty. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:27, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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