Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Siamak Taghaddos (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. Tone 08:35, 19 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Siamak Taghaddos[edit]

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Co-founder of some non-notable companies. There is no significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject as required by general notability guideline and no evidence of satisfying WP:BIO. GSS (talk|c|em) 04:07, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. GSS (talk|c|em) 04:07, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete a non-notable businessman.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:08, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - run of the mill investor investing in run of the mill companies, with run of the mill connections between the two. The page verges on spam for his investments. Bearian (talk) 15:29, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep a notable businessman. Company acquired by a Citrix Systems a public company for $173 million. Founder of a U.S. national day recocognized by President Barack Obama. Request Wikipedia:Cleanup instead to remove any spam-like content. 303Cadogan (talk) 13:29, 17 October 2019 (UTC) — 303Cadogan (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic and have a close connection with the subject of the article being discussed. [reply]
Keep. I concurr with User: 303Cadagon that he is a noteworthy businessman. The Wikipedia article does have citations from very reliable and well known sources which provide more than passing mentions such a the Boston Globe, Forbes and Inc. Magazine.[1] [2][3] On top of this he is mentioned by CBS News and USA Today.[4][5] And User: Cadagon mentioned the company was bought by a Citrix Systems a public company for $173 million. The founding of a national day recognized by President Obama appears to be noteworthy too but I would have to know more about how many national days there are already (my initial research appears to show there are about 1,200 national days[6], but I am guessing few of those have been recognized by a US president). For me, the icing on the cake is that he was fairly recently considered one of the most 30 influential entrepeneurs and the list included other noteable entrepreneurs.[7].Knox490 (talk) 21:34, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- @Knox490: There's no automatic inherited notability. Sources used to establish notability under WP:GNG need to be independent, reliable, and in-depth; of the sources you mentioned above and those available in the article, all are passing mentions. The Forbes piece is from a contributor, which would not normally be considered independent or reliable as per WP:RSP. Under30CEO doesn't have a proper editorial structure hence failing WP:RS and co-founding a non-notable national day does not grant notability so, do you mind reconsidering your !vote? Thank you GSS ^💬 03:50, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment: User: GSS, thanks for making a good point about inherited notability in relation to a part of my argument. I will not make that mistake again. As far as general notability of this person, unfortunately Wikipedia has poorly defined standards of notability such as "substantial" coverage by "reliable" sources. If Wikipedia clarified what "substantial" meant, AfD discussions would be more harmonious. As far as "reliable" sources, unfortunately news organizations aren't what they used to be and that is why trust in mainstream media has plunged amongst the public.Knox490 (talk) 01:31, 19 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Agree that this individual is not-notable may be a case of too soon, or may be a case of one of thousands of companies that have a moment in time where they are successful to the point of getting some coverage, but not lasting coverage.VViking_TalkEdits 13:52, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Non-notable businessmen. There is nothing here to prove notability, WP:TOSOON for now. FitIndia ^{Talk Commons} 15:34, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I've identified three major sources that discuss Siamak Taghaddos, including CBS News [8], USA Today [9], and Inc. [10] (see WP:THREE). Bmbaker88 (talk) 02:27, 19 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Bmbaker88: Are you kidding? None of these sources independently talk about the subject and give no depth.

#8 Mentioned his name twice in passing - avid Hauser and Siamak Taghaddos are two of the smartest young entrepreneurs I know. and My partner, Siamak Taghaddos, and I worked for six years..

#9 mentioned his name one in passing - So three years in, Grasshopper's founders, David Hauser and Siamak Taghaddos, shut down the formal program.

#10 again provides nothing, but only - Siamak Taghaddos, 29; David Hauser, 29 Boston Provides virtual phone systems to small businesses.

So, can you please explain how these sources discuss Siamak Taghaddos? Take a look at WP:GNG, if you can't understand then refresh your page and read again and again until you understand what are the requirements. Also, looking at your voting history you appear to have a lack of understanding of Wikipedia policies and FYI WP:THREE is an essay, not policy nor guideline. GSS ^💬 07:57, 19 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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