Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shot (rapper)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Despite huge walls of text and lots of external links, the article creator has failed to convince the other participants in this debate that the subject meets GNG. Randykitty (talk) 17:08, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Shot (rapper)[edit]

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Non notable battle rapper who fails to satisfy any criterion from WP:MUSICBIO a WP:BEFORE under his stage name “Shot” is a total mess and a before search under his real name brings back hits in unreliable sources. The sources listed in the article are unreliable as they lack editorial oversight or do not have a reputation for fact checking, other hits are in user generated sources rendering them unreliable. Celestina007 (talk) 19:52, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Celestina007 (talk) 19:52, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. Celestina007 (talk) 19:52, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Celestina007 (talk) 19:52, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User:Celestina007 Hello . Glad to communicate.The rapper is not in other countries, he is known only to us in the search.This is not a reason that the article cannot be created, because we have many sources of reputable.As far as I know, a few links on different topics are enough to dispute.

https://www.intermedia.ru/news/253786 Information Agency.This person took part in the news trail in the action

https://www.zvezdi.ru/stars/2974-shot.html

This site was created for news media about famous people and has a rapper dossier

https://tengrinews.kz/music/nazvanyi-samyie-populyarnyie-internete-kazahstanskie-274665/amp/

The site is authoritative and large for news. Wikipedia about it. The publishers listed this person as the most popular artist and this is important Masterwebwiki (talk) 20:13, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Masterwebwiki, I suggest you use the WP:AFC method to submit any articles you may be creating in the future, in-fact, scrap that, I don’t think you should be creating any new articles anytime soon until you understand fundamental policy pertaining not just to notability, but also to what this collaborative project is really about, the tone of the article is so off that it constitutes what Wikipedia is definitely WP:NOT, as for their notability status, it is non existent. Celestina007 (talk) 20:59, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User:Celestina007

https://kikonline.ru/2013/06/24/lzhzhjom-kurganchikr/

The city newspaper "Kurgan and Kurgantsy" published a story about the performer's performance

https://ftimes.ru/330789-klub-27-chto-eto-spisok-muzykantov-pesnya-pamyati.html

Russian ftimes is a news agency and newspaper, published about club 27 in which he was recorded in their opinion "Shot".

Federal channels about the death of the rapper

https://ren.tv/news/v-rossii/230093-v-sotsialnykh-setiakh-soobshchili-o-smerti-repera-shot

https://m.5-tv.ru/amp/news/154658/ Masterwebwiki (talk) 09:03, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, though if Mr. Totally-Didn't-Write-This-Entire-Article up there somehow wins, give it a major, MAJOR rewrite. AdoTang (talk) 20:16, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User:AdoTang Please look in the article for all the links, I added, many significantMasterwebwiki (talk) 18:13, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And? What, are we supposed to let this article stay up now? It's a mess, it doesn't link anywhere, and the sources are iffy and almost certainly not deemed valid enough for Wikipedia. I'm sorry, and may Shot rest in peace, but I don't think this article is sticking around, even if it was written well. AdoTang (talk) 19:08, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User:AdoTang You are a good person. Unfortunately, there are also rude people. I believe that after registering with me, it is good to create an article professionally happened.I know that a few sources are enough for significance.There are many of them there.You yourself understand that from the point of view of news, it cannot be.

In the House of Culture he spoke on the Intermedia website

https://www.intermedia.ru/news/253786

On the genius website he has a lot of songs and even a card of performers.

https://genius.com/Shot-russia-on-day-of-russia-lyrics

Even a lot of world media outlets about his death, including TV channels

https://news-r.ru/amp/news/culture/147093/ Masterwebwiki (talk) 20:49, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Genius is not a good source. The Grand Theft Auto V soundtrack is on Genius, and every single song has "[Instrumental]" as its lyrics. Genius also claims Cat's in the Cradle is about Kurt Vonnegut, silver spoons, and acid. It's about parent-child bonds.

Also, that isn't a "world media outlet", that's yet another Russian news site. Because every single source you give is Russian. And no one has ever heard of them.

Here's a way to not get your article deleted: get valid, verified sources, make the article actually readable, and, y'know, make it an actual proper Wikipedia article!

Also, "a few sources are enough for significance" depends, because Wikipedia has guidelines on what is and isn't a reliable source. AdoTang (talk) 20:56, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I'd be willing to accept that the article could be cleaned up to help the contributor who does not speak English as his first language, but that's only if Shot the rapper were notable. Yes he has appeared in Russia media sources. I reviewed those listed by the article's supporter above, via Google translate, and they are uniformly unreliable press releases, promotional interviews, blogs, industry directories, or very short mentions of new releases. His most widespread coverage concerns his death, but to qualify for Wikipedia there must be reliable coverage of any notable things he did while alive. He generated some social media and blog buzz but I can find nothing significant and reliable. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 01:43, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User:Doomsdayer520 Hello. I saw the clauses in the importance rules.Interfax is an important source and he wrote an article mentioning Google.That is, two important sites named Shot'a the rapper of the year!

https://www.interfax.ru/amp/591627 Masterwebwiki (talk) 12:03, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

https://tass.ru/obschestvo/4808222 Masterwebwiki (talk) 19:56, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User:Goszei Hello. You posted an orphan template in this article, although the page has links to others/Binding.

I take the opportunity to ask about another template, an authoritative article, can I remove it about deletion?

https://tass.ru/obschestvo/4808222

https://news.sputnik.ru/internet/5ac266be20839d7d923c88ef0d1f679343cf9665

https://www.altyn-orda.kz/kz/nazvany-samye-populyarnye-v-internete-kazaxstanskie-muzykanty/

https://outstyle.org/article/v-pamyati-o-kazahstanskom-ryepere-po-prozvishhu-shot

https://tengrinews.kz/music/samyie-skachivaemyie-muzyikalnyie-albomyi-opredelenyi-262946/amp/

Masterwebwiki (talk) 20:38, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 14:06, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Honestly, Masterwebwiki, you constantly trying to "prove us wrong" by bloating this page by linking totally-credible "world media" sources (all Russian websites) and other unreliable """important""" """sources""" like user-generated blogs and press releases (still all Russian) that just happen to mention Shot do nothing to improve the article or magically save it from the deletion process. Have you actually read the things we've told you? There's no significant, reliable, well-sourced coverage, the article fails WP:MUSICBIO, the article is terribly-written, and there are no links to it anywhere, and that's just part of the many, many issues here. God's sakes, your replies mess this page up so bad I'll probably have to reorganize this so other people scrolling through AfD don't have five aneurysms at once. If you want to save this article, get proper, actual sources that aren't blogs or sources we've identified as unreliable, then actually properly write the page so it doesn't read like a fanpage or a slangy news article. Christ, dude... AdoTang (talk) 19:24, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Criteria for musicians and ensembles 4 https://kikonline.ru/2013/06/24/lzhzhjom-kurganchikr/ , https://barnaul.bezformata.com/listnews/shot-posetit-barnaul-s-kontcertom/10613196/%3famp=1/ https://afisha.relax.by/conserts/10335766-shot/minsk/ 10 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvh5NfwfKHc (НТВ)

Recordings 1 https://everything.kz/article/18110382-novyy-trek-id23419684shot-id4874055t1one-posledniy-raz, https://tengrinews.kz/music/samyie-skachivaemyie-muzyikalnyie-albomyi-opredelenyi-262946/amp/ , album https://genius.com/albums/Shot-russia/S-h-o-t 6 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvh5NfwfKHc (НТВ)

Albums https://genius.com/albums/Shot-russia/S-h-o-t

Single https://www.xn--80aeatqv1al.xn--p1ai/az/2003/07/HTML/149-153.htm Magazine АвтоЗвук.рф

Songs https://tengrinews.kz/music/samyie-skachivaemyie-muzyikalnyie-albomyi-opredelenyi-262946/amp/

I also want to throw off other authoritative sources. https://triboona.ru/russia/16809-reper-shot-evgeniy-ilnickiy-vikipediya-foto-chto-s-nim-sluchilos.amp.html This site is mentioned in others https://archi.ru/press/issue_present.html?id=1552 Triboona ru Important site.

Extensive discussion of death https://fedpress.ru/amp/news/77/society/1860677

The most popular music artist on the Internet https://www.altyn-orda.kz/kz/nazvany-samye-populyarnye-v-internete-kazaxstanskie-muzykanty/

Most downloaded album https://tengrinews.kz/music/samyie-skachivaemyie-muzyikalnyie-albomyi-opredelenyi-262946/amp/

Tass reports that rapper Shot is one of the most popular rappers of the year according to Гугл https://tass.ru/obschestvo/4808222 Top-10 Chart

Oxxxymiron Face Гнойный Хаски Фараон Shot Мияги Раскольников Дизастер Lil Peep Masterwebwiki (talk) 11:23, 18 April 2021 (UTC) Masterwebwiki (talk) 11:19, 18 April 2021 (UTC) Masterwebwiki (talk) 10:30, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I already voted above and had my say, but after watching this trainwreck of a discussion with a certain morbid curiosity, please allow me to add that quantity does not equal quality, and terms like "authoritative" and "popular" have been severely misused by the article's supporter. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 16:08, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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