Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shirin Shila (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:14, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Shirin Shila[edit]

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Still no evidence of notability as per the last AFD, most if not all of these sources existed then, as did the award nomination which also did nothing for notability. I don't know if it's WP:TOOSOON or what, but she still fails WP:NACTOR as per the sources below and analysis in the last discussion.

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table:
http://m.theindependentbd.com//post/135778	These are basically the written equivalent of sound bytes	?	Nothing substantial mostly an interview.	✘ No
https://dailyasianage.com/news/107000/shirin-shila--has-her-hands-full-with--films		?	I don't consider other sources rehashed to meet any of the criteria of independent, in-depth or significant coverage. This has the exact same title and is more or less the same. It's a rehashed press-release.	✘ No
https://www.jagonews24.com/m/lifestyle/news/78943			Per mar11's findings last go-round	✘ No
https://m.ntvbd.com/entertainment/244653/%E0%A6%AD%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%A4%E0%A6%A6%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%B0-%E0%A6%86%E0%A6%AF%E0%A6%BC%E0%A7%8B%E0%A6%9C%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%A6%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%96%E0%A7%87-%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%81%E0%A6%A6%E0%A6%B2%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%AF%E0%A6%BC%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BE		?	Per mar11's findings last go-round, this is 40% copied from other press releases	✘ No
https://www.prothomalo.com/entertainment/article/801727		?	It's an interview from the subject herself, so in no way is this significant coverage.	✘ No
http://www.ntvbd.com/entertainment/42787/%E0%A6%B8%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A4-%E0%A6%93-%E0%A6%B6%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%B6%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%B2%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B0-%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AF%E0%A6%BC%E0%A6%BE-%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%BF-%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%9C%E0%A6%BF				? Unknown
http://www.ntvbd.com/entertainment/42787/%E0%A6%B8%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A4-%E0%A6%93-%E0%A6%B6%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%B6%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%B2%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B0-%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AF%E0%A6%BC%E0%A6%BE-%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%BF-%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%9C%E0%A6%BF	Interview mixed with a press release	?		✘ No
http://web.dailyjanakantha.com/details/article/182257/%E0%A7%A7-%E0%A6%8F%E0%A6%AA%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%B2-%E0%A6%AE%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%A4%E0%A6%BF-%E0%A6%AA%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%9A%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%9B%E0%A7%87-%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%9C%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%A8%E0%A7%87-%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%BE-%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%A8%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%B0-%E0%A6%A0%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%BE/print/	Press release/film announcement	?	see above	✘ No
http://www.ntvbd.com/entertainment/43651/%E0%A6%86%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%93-%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%A1%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%B2-%E0%A6%B9%E0%A6%B2%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%B6%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%B6%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%B2%E0%A6%BE	This appears to be another press release masquerading as an article	?		✘ No
http://www.bhorerkagoj.com/print-edition/2016/03/30/82277.php	another film announcement	?		✘ No
http://web.dailyjanakantha.com/details/article/366151/%E0%A6%B8%E0%A6%82%E0%A6%97%E0%A7%80%E0%A6%A4-%E0%A6%B6%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%B2%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%AA%E0%A7%80-%E0%A6%86%E0%A6%B8%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AB%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%B0-%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%BE%E0%A7%9F%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BE-%E0%A6%B6%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%B6%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%B2%E0%A6%BE/print/		Their editorial staff is a single gmail account, this doesn't have the required integrity we require for RS		✘ No
https://m.risingbd.com/entertainment/news/272541/%E0%A6%86%E0%A6%B8%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AB%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%B0-%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AA%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%80%E0%A6%A4%E0%A7%87-%E0%A6%B6%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%B6%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%B2%E0%A6%BE				? Unknown
https://www.jagonews24.com/m/entertainment/news/445814	Labelled press release			✘ No
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Praxidicae (talk) 13:15, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 13:39, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 13:39, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.--Nahal^(T) 08:30, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions.--Nahal^(T) 08:32, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.--Nahal^(T) 08:37, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The references I have added all are collected from National Level dailies (Prothom Alo, Janakantha, Bhorer Kagoj, The Independent, The Asian Age) and television's website (NTV) except risingbd and jagonews).The owners of jagonews (owner PRAN-RFL Group) and risingbd (owner Walton Group) are notable business group in Bangladesh. As far as we know, those who have acted multiple notable films in notable roles, they are notable. For her first film Hitman she was nominated for 'Best Newcomer' category in a major award ceremony of Bangladesh. She has notable role in that film. The main star of the film was Shakib Khan (National Award winning actor) who can be called the biggest superstar in Dhallywood right now without any doubt. Her next film was Khoniker Valobasa where he has acted with Joy Chowdhury. Her third and fourth films are Mia Bibi Raji and Mon Jane Na Moner Thikana. Mon Jane Na Moner Thikana was a multi-starrer film. In the link of Janakantha (Janakantha is the sixth most circulated newspaper of Bangladesh.) that I have provided in the article her name was listed in the fifth position among the list of actors/actresses . He was placed after Mousumi (National Award Winning Actress), Pori Moni, Razzak (National Award winning actor, known as 'King Hero Razzak'),Ferdous Ahmed (Another National Award Winning Actor). The film was made under Impress Telefilms. In her film Mia Bibi Raji with introducing Sumit. Misha Sawdagor had done the negative role who is a National Award winning actor.--S. M. Nazmus Shakib (talk) 14:50, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It really doesn't matter who owns them, they're interviews and press releases and not a single one is actually independent coverage OF her. Praxidicae (talk) 18:14, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

When a person works in multiple notable films in notable charecter, the person will be notable according to Wikipedia. In this article of Prothom Alo about current condition of Bangladeshi Film Industry (Prothom Alo is the second most circulated newspaper of Bangladesh.) her name was mentioned in the same sentence with Zayed Khan, Airin Sultana and Mishti Jannat.(In that article total 19 names of actors and actreesses were mentioned.)--S. M. Nazmus Shakib (talk) 18:48, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete.She has acted in notable films, a rather limited number of them, but she was not the lead and there is no evidence her roles were notable. Her name was mentioned in a long list of actors, that is not evidence of notability. I believe there is a fundamental misunderstanding of notability guidelines, she needs independent and reliable coverage which the article does not show.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 01:04, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

For Hitman, she was nominated for Meril Prothom Alo Awards with Mishti Jannat, Sabila Nur and Tanjin Tisha. The category was 'Best Newcomer Actor/Acress'. If she didn't have notable role in that film, she wouldn't be nominated for the award. If any notable British magazine writes article about current condition of British politics, they can mention the names of Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbin in the same sentence. But, they will not mention the names of a local politician and a national level politician in the same sentence. In this article of Bangladesh Pratidin (Bangladesh Pratidin is the most circulated newspaper of Bangladesh.) about the release of Khoniker Valobasa, a picture of the film was attached. In that photograph she was with an actor.In this article and in this article, it was metioned that, she was the heroine and Joy Chowdhury was the hero in Khoniker Bhalobasa. According to this source of bdnews24.com(bdnews24.com is in the 21st position among Bangladeshi website alexa ranking.) and this source of Prothom Alo (Prothom Alo is the second most circulated newspaper of Bangladesh.) she has acted as twin sister of Pori Moni in multi-starrer Mon Jane Na Moner Thikana. And according to NTV (national level Television's website) she was heroine and acted with introducing Sumit in Mia Bibi Raji. Misha Sawdagor (National Award winning actor) had acted in the film too.--S. M. Nazmus Shakib (talk) 04:07, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Recommend creating a Bengali language page for this actress, but English references do not support notability. PhobosIkaros ✉ 22:54, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Language does not matter for deleting an article in English Wikipedia. There are many articles on English Wikipedia, where you may not find their notablity in English sources, but according to their own languages' sources, they are notable.--S. M. Nazmus Shakib (talk) 03:05, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Shirin Shila Nominated Meril Prothom Alo Award --— Delwar • 21:52, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Being nominated for an award does not make anyone notable. Praxidicae (talk) 13:32, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Not notable person. -- Harshil ^{want to talk?} 10:48, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If a person acts in multiple notable films' significant roles, the person will be notable according to Wikipedia.--S. M. Nazmus Shakib (talk) 13:39, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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