Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shiraz Ali Khan

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:17, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Shiraz Ali Khan[edit]

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Sent this to AfD because a PROD on this article was opposed. Artist fails WP:MUSICBIO. The subject of this article is only really mentioned for playing at one music festival, does not have an album on a national music chart or a certified gold album (I admit that's a hard bar to cross for classical music), does not have coverage for a national tour only for the one music festival, has not won or been nominated for a major music award, has not won a major music competition.

The closest source that I found while searching the news archives was he played with his uncle who was a Grammy nominee. I don't think that really satisfies WP:MUSICBIO but I could be wrong. The article was in Gulf News and it's reliability has been questioned before on WP:RSN.

I copyedited the article and removed some other sources that were included, one was from the Hindu and was very similar to the Asian Age article, another was a recording of his music on the Internet Archive, and the other was from the Gulf News and was only a passing mention.

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table:
Bengal Classical Music Fest	I'm willing to assume that there isn't undue influence	~ Site is for a music festival but doesn't go into details about the subject	Source gives only a passing mention of Khan	✘ No
Asian Age	Appears to be a news organization	Article appears to be from a reliable news source	Coverage about Khan's appearance at a music festival	✔ Yes
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Dr vulpes ^{(💬 • 📝)} 23:05, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Artists and India. Dr vulpes ^{(💬 • 📝)} 23:05, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If someone finds a source I missed, or a non-English source that helps this pass WP:MUSICBIO please ping me so I can withdraw this nomination asap. Dr vulpes ^{(💬 • 📝)} 23:12, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Removed from Artists, added to list of Music-related deletion discussions.WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:16, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I opposed the PROD because I think this is a borderline case under WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG, given the Asian Age article cited in Dr vulpes' chart and these two articles: https://archive.ph/FxbbB and https://archive.ph/JzlqK. I'm hoping that someone with knowledge of traditional Indian music weighs in and so I'm withholding judgment for now. voorts (talk/contributions) 23:17, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah @Voorts, I wasn't sure how to count the coverage from the Legends of India event. There appears to be some coverage about it but the sources tend to mention his uncle more then him which is why I didn't really feel like it passed WP:MUSICBIO. This AfD is a hard one because I think right now he just barely misses the mark but could very easily be notable if just a couple of solid sources were dug up. Adding to the difficulty this is not my area of expertise when it comes to reference hunting. Dr vulpes ^{(💬 • 📝)} 23:27, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I was going to vote for draftify until the subject became notable someday, but even searching in Hindi, there's only one other article that constitute significant coverage, and it is basically interviewed material written in a third person perspective. It seems that the subject has not received any significant attention since 2017, which make me doubt of the subject's potential to become famous in the near future. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 04:17, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for doing the Hindi search @Tutwakhamoe, I'm always nervous doing searching with non-latin alphabets. Not saying they're not good sources or anything like that. It's 100% a lack of knowlege on my end and having to trust Google. Dr vulpes ^{(💬 • 📝)} 09:58, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:19, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fails WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.