Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shiksa

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The result was keep. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 17:52, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Shiksa[edit]

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Delete? I think this should probably be deleted, I feel as if it violates the general WP:NOT-a-dictionary rule. I'm not seeing this ever going beyond an over-glorified dictionary definition, and the cleanup tags from a year and a half ago reinforce that belief. JBsupreme (talk) ✄ ✄ ✄ 07:28, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Possibly could be improved by bringing in the entire Seinfeld episode based upon the word. In general, the article is a little too Oxford-Dictionary-ish for Wikipedia... Carrite (talk) 14:06, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep The term itself is notable [1] and [2] and there's a debate as to whether it should or shouldn't be considered offensive. It's not as well known as the Jewish-American princess, but the stereotype of a "shiksa" (basically, the non-Jewish girlfriend) gets portrayed in novels and plays. I'd never heard of it until an episode of The Big Bang Theory, with Howard describing the shiksa and Sheldon pronouncing it "shixy". Only a weak keep, because it's not a very good article and, as the nominator notes, it doesn't look like it's going to be improved anytime soon. Mandsford 19:24, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Are there any sources that show that this concept is notable on its own, rather than just a dictionary entry with more etymology than typical but without more. See, e.g., Black president in popular culture (United States) which originated as Black president; perhaps there is enough to have a Shiksa in popular culture, and perhaps not. But the article has a ways to go... Carlossuarez46 (talk) 06:54, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:03, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Wikipedia is not a dictionary. (And they omitted the common suffix "whore" [3]). Edison (talk) 02:39, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

not sure I understand the previous comment about "whore". There are seven results from your search of "shiksa whore" but 16,500 results for just shiksa. Does not seem like that common of a pairing whereas "shiksa goddess" results in 1,070 results. |► ϋrбanяeneωaℓ • TALK ◄| 03:55, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This seems like a fairly clear keep to me. The notability I do not think is in question so it is really a question of whether there is room in Wikipedia for a term like this. The example of a concept / term at WP:NOT#Dict is Truthiness which does not seem to distinguish itself in any way other than the amount of content included in the article. Similarly terms like the "n" word or wop are considered acceptable. Closer to this topic both yid and Jewish-American princess are considered ok describing jewish people which makes me wonder what is the distinction being drawn by the proposing editor. More to the point - Could the article be bolstered? Absolutely. I think a good start might be uses in popular culutre (see: Shiksappeal) or the recent use of the term to describe Chelsea Clinton in respect of her marriage to a jewish man. It appears that when the article was created there was more of this content but it has been removed in the last two years. Adding back conent from previous versions would seem like a good place to go. Alternatively a good etymological overview or an exploration of how the term was used in Yiddish speaking contexts versus how it is used casually by jews in america. Finally it is worth noting that Shegetz is not part of this discussion despite the fact that "The term has enjoyed less currency in English than the feminine shiksa".|► ϋrбanяeneωaℓ • TALK ◄| 03:52, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete To me this is a clear case of WP:Wikipedia is not a dictionary. The article is about the word, not about the people. I am sure there are articles about Jewish/non-Jewish relationships where this could redirect to a section which mentions various terms involved. Kitfoxxe (talk) 04:43, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete there's a sister project - wiktionary for this, doesn't worth being as an encyclopedic article. Userpd (talk) 13:49, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. More than a thousand Scholar hits.[4] Books, of what looks like widely varying levels of high-seriousness, written about the concept.[5] I can't say that this article will never move past being a dictionary definition, or that the concept is not notable. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 14:21, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Needs work, but there is probably an article here. Carrite (talk) 16:44, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - per Urbanrenew. I encourage expansion as well. Outback the koala (talk) 22:52, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Carrite and Smerdis of Tlön. This needed work before it was nominated. Bearian (talk)
Keep It is quite obvious that an article can be written about this - see The Quest for the Ultimate Shiksa or Shiksa: The Gentile Woman in the Jewish World Colonel Warden (talk) 21:57, 11 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.