Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/She's So California (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. My personal feeling is that it ought to redirect to the Allan article because there's actually some information about the single there, but that's an editorial decision. Black Kite (t) (c) 23:06, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

She's So California[edit]

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Null disambiguation page. The Gary Allan song used to have an article but it was redirected for failing WP:NSONGS and the info merged to the album. The Adam Gregory song is so non-notable that there are no hits for it on Google News or Books — and whatever can be said about it is already mentioned in his article and the album's. Therefore, this dab serves no purpose. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 21:25, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:06, 11 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Tavix | Talk 21:38, 11 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:02, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Two valid MOS:DABMENTION entries. -- JHunterJ (talk) 01:26, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - dismabiguation pages are not necessary when there are only two entries, as a hatnote would direct anyone looking for the other entry to it. In this case there are no notable entries so there is no need to disambiguate between two articles that do not exist. Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 22:25, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That is not correct. Disambiguation pages with only two entries are necessary unless one of the entries is the primary topic. Since this disambiguation page is at the base name, there is (currently) no primary topic. If you feel one of the mentions should be primary, and alternate solution would still not involve deleting the page, but rather turning it into a redirect to the primary topic and then adding a hatnote to that article. -- JHunterJ (talk) 10:45, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Except of course that there are no articles. Even assuming that editors encountering one thing named "Foo" are too stupid to figure out that they want the other "Foo" specified in the hatnote, disambiguation is not required to differentiate one topic with no notability from another topic with no notability. Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 19:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Articles: Adam Gregory (album), Living Hard. Where are you proposing this hatnote be added? -- JHunterJ (talk) 21:00, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not proposing that a hatnote be added anywhere as there is no need to direct anyone to articles that don't exist. Should anyone be searching for either of these non-existent articles they will find them as early results through the search box. Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 20:30, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I must be too stupid to have interpreted "they want the other "Foo" specified in the hatnote" as meaning that a hatnote would have to exist to specify "Foo". Still, I am smart enough to see that Adam Gregory (album) and Living Hard are articles that do exist, and that anyone who is searching for a song by its title, shared by songs on these two albums, will reach the intended article through the disambiguation page.. -- JHunterJ (talk) 21:01, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. If there was just one song it would be appropriate to redirect to the album with a {{R from song}} tag. But as there are two separate songs, neither being the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, a disambiguation page is the correct solution. Tassedethe (talk) 22:39, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Two valid ambiguous entries, and neither seems to qualify as a primary topic, so the dab page serves the purpose of directing users to the most relevant article for the use they are interested in.--ShelfSkewed Talk 13:14, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Neither of them qualifies as a primary topic because neither of them has a shred of notability thus neither of them has an article. Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 19:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Each of them "qualifies" as a target of a redirect from the title "She's So California" as an {{R from song}}. Neither of them qualifies as the primary topic for that redirect. So a disambiguation page disambiguating the two MOS:DABMENTION entries is needed. QED. -- JHunterJ (talk) 21:04, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete both songs are not notable, so there's no reason to keep the disambiguation. Hekerui (talk) 22:04, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Which album should the title redirect to then, as an {{R from song}}? Restore the Living Hard target or use the Adam Gregory (album)? Both are valid targets, and that's the reason for the disambiguation. -- JHunterJ (talk) 01:32, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no need for this - there should be no bar on re-creation if someone wished to write either article. Codf1977 (talk) 13:39, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Which album should the title redirect to then, as an {{R from song}}? Restore the Living Hard target or use the Adam Gregory (album)? Both are valid targets, and that's the need for the disambiguation. -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:43, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
keep as DAB it is a common belief in the public that EVERYTHING is in Wikipedia and so it is well within the realms of probability that a user may search for the song "She's So California". Even though neither song is notable on its own, we serve the reader by providing a landing point for this search and an option for the reader to select the next available level of content for whichever of the non-notable songs s/he was looking for. Active Banana ( bananaphone 14:00, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.