Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shania Now Tour

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. There's general agreement that it's WP:TOOSOON for a stand-alone page, but no consensus for any specific solution. There does appear to be a consensus against deletion. Draft/Merge proposals can be discussed on the talk page. (non-admin closure) Power~enwiki (talk) 06:01, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Shania Now Tour[edit]

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WP:NOTADVERTISING, WP:NCONCERT and WP:TOOSOON. There's not much content here other than tour dates other than tentative information based on one WP:PRIMARY source and two sources that offer little. Compare to other tour articles. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:14, 17 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I have noticed that editors have changed the name of the tour at least twice since this discussion was opened. If there was enough in the way of RSes to support the name, such efforts would not be needed. The fact that the name is still being debated is further proof that the tour, or at least information about it, is not sufficiently established. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:32, 22 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 22:23, 17 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:32, 17 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:32, 17 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There is as much information as possible for the time being, it is suspected that more information will be revealed soon, as tickets go on sale as early as next week. I personally, do not see the sense in deleting this article. I also do not understand the use for the word "tentative" as this is confirmed information (the dates are official) by Shania Twain's own official website. I say leave the article as it will save the hassle of re-creating it down the road. - 21:35, 17 August 2017 - Pwgallant — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pwgallant (talk • contribs)

Redirect — I vote to redirect to Shania Twain#Tours and residency shows for the time being, until it can rightfully qualify WP:NCONCERT properly. livelikemusic talk! 03:11, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Per WP:NCONCERT, "Concert tours are probably notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources." E! News, Rolling Stone, CBC, Billboard, LA Times, plus basically every other major media source in North America. Thankyoubaby (talk) 05:18, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- So we have coverage, but the coverage present is not significant at this point. Brief discussions of plans, etc., and locations, but nothing significant. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:32, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - The significant coverage is the fact that she is going on tour, despite the fact that she said her previous tour would be her last. This is discussed in the above sources. Thankyoubaby (talk) 18:34, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    - That's not what "significant coverage" means. Please read WP:GNG to understand. Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:17, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
      - "addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content". All of those are met, you're really reaching here. Thankyoubaby (talk) 19:22, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
        Details are who the set designer, lighting designer, costume designer and sound crew are, what the set-list is planned for, not just "she never planned to tour again and oh, boy, here she is". See her other tour articles to compare. You're really reaching here if you think the brief mentions of trivia constitute GNG. Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:30, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
        Besides the set list, none of what you mentioned are listed on Butterfly World Tour which is rated a Good Article. Thankyoubaby (talk) 00:43, 22 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
        With MOS:LINKING issues and other problems, you can see why being a good article does not mean that the article follows policies, guidelines or anything other than a few requirements. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:52, 22 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, without prejudice against recreation if and when something more substantial than this can be written and sourced. WP:NTOUR specifies what kind of content the sources need to support to justify an article about a concert tour — "show notability in terms of artistic approach, financial success, relationship to audience, or other such terms" — and explicitly states that "sources that merely establish that a tour happened are not sufficient to demonstrate notability." But all of the sourcing shown so far demonstrates the latter, not the former, and since the tour isn't slated to even start for another ten months there's no prospect of the former being shown anytime soon. For an example of what the distinction actually entails between coverage that confers notability and coverage that doesn't, ponder The Tragically Hip: most of their past concert tours don't have standalone articles, but the Man Machine Poem Tour of last year was such an extreme Special Case that it actually got the band's lead singer named as the Canadian newsmaker of the entire freaking year. Yes, over the Prime Minister. And even that article didn't actually get created until a few days after the last show of the tour, once the dust had settled and the depth and breadth of coverage could be properly assessed from a place of après le déluge recovery. Bearcat (talk) 00:23, 19 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 21:34, 25 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Move to draft. There will likely be significant actual news on this topic in the next six months, and definitely in the six months after that. bd2412 T 22:02, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or merge - Keep, or merge to Shania_Twain#2016.E2.80.93present:_Now or Shania_Twain#Tours_and_residency_shows. --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:43, 28 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:37, 1 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:57, 1 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Merge as the tour announcement doesn't constitute anything more than a glorified list at this point. Arguably Too Soon. Burroughs'10 (talk) 05:01, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.