Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shadow Zen

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The result was no consensus. At least no consensus to delete, based on the research by Voceditenore, the results of which have not been contested. Sandstein 20:00, 24 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Shadow Zen[edit]

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1. notability (ft.com ref trivial coverage, ) 2. advert 3. COI Widefox (talk) 09:51, 16 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Conflict of interest is not a reason for deletion. The article, while clearly written by a person who was seeking to promote its subject, is not so blatantly promotional as to justify deletion. That leaves the issue of notability.

The reference to www.ft.com is, as the nominator says, trivial coverage, containing only a minor two-sentence mention of the subject of the article. The source cited at www.globaltimes.cn is, however, substantial coverage. If globaltimes is OK in terms of reliability and independence, then there remains the issue of whether that single source is sufficient to establish notability. (Wikipedia:Notability says "Multiple sources are generally expected", and Wikipedia:Notability (people) says "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." (My emphasis in both cases.)) However, there is also the fact that www.globaltimes.cn has the avowed purpose of promoting knowledge of Chinese people and affairs in the wider world, which somewhat reduces the confidence we can have in it as an indicator of notability.

A Google search for "Shadow Zen" is hampered by the appearance of numerous false hits. (E.g. a page at www.pedigreedatabase.com about a dog named "Magros Dark Shadow Zen", a trivial page created by a 17 year old who likes to be called "Shadow Zen Maricat", a brand of eye shadow called "Zen", a MySpace page for someone who uses the name "ShadowZen", and does not appear to be the person in this Wikipeida article etc, etc.) In fact, the only Google hit I found that seems to refer to the "Shadow Zen" we need is the Wikipedia article. I tried to narrow the search down by including other terms which, to judge from the article, are relevant, but I did not have much success. For example, a search for "Shadow Zen" "Drinking with the Stranger" produced only the Wikipedia article; so did "Shadow Zen" "Shanghai Hardhan Theatre"; a search for "Shadow Zen" "Donna Sheridan" produced Wikipedia, Twitter, a blog post by Shadow Zen, not about her, and a page advertising the production of Mamma Mia!, in which she is taking part, and that was all. A search for "Shadow Zen" "Mamma Mia!" did better in terms of numbers of hits (109), but many of the hits were such sources as Wikipedia, Twitter, blogs, promotional pages, etc. There was also an article about "Mamma Mia!" which does not mention Shadow Zen, but which includes a readers' response (blog-like) section which includes a post starting "Hi this is Shadow Zen, I play Donna Sheridan..." There were also hits which have nothing to do with this particular "Shadow Zen", such as a page selling magicians' equipment. In fact, despite the claims in the article, I have been unable to find anything anywhere to suggest that Shadow Zen is a star in any significant production.

On current showing I have to say that notability is not established, but I am not saying delete yet, to give others a chance to do a better job of finding sources than I have managed to do. JamesBWatson (talk)

Keep I've just added two more substantial articles to the references, one from China Daily and the other from Beijing Review. I'm not sure why this article is named "Shadow Zen". She seems to go only by the name "Shadow", and the anglicized version of her birth name is given in those two English language Chinese publications as "Zhang Aojia". If you search 影子音乐剧女王 (Chinese for shadow musical queen), you get quite a few articles with substantial coverage of her in what seem to be reliable Chinese language sources, e.g. [1] (China National Radio), [2] (Hunan TV), [3] (Sina.com), [4] (Phoenix Television), [5] (China Radio International), plus [6], [7], [8], [9], [10]. There is clearly COI in the article's creation, but that has no bearing on notability or on whether or not the article should be kept. Voceditenore (talk) 12:16, 16 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Voceditenore (talk) 07:18, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. Voceditenore (talk) 07:18, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per above coverage. Passes WP:GNG. Cavarrone (talk) 11:14, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.