Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Secret Hello

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The result was no consensus. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 04:20, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Secret Hello[edit]

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Not notable race horse. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 17:28, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Animal-related deletion discussions. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 17:28, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Horse racing-related deletion discussions. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 17:28, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete WP:A7 Reywas92^Talk 17:58, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep This horse just barely meets our SNG for race horses. According to Equibase, he did win a grade one, the Arlington-Washington Futurity in 1989. WP:HEY is probably a bit of a challenge, as his prime years were pre-Google. But I’ll throw in what sources I can find. Montanabw^(talk) 20:16, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Almost none of those on Arlington-Washington Futurity Stakes have articles, and many of the bluelinks aren't even for the horses! I call total BS that winning a single minor race means you can say "Screw you, significant coverage!" A "presumption" of meeting GNG does not mean it actually does. Hansel (horse), who won it the next year, says this race is Grade II. Reywas92^Talk 06:34, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Reywas92:, first off, be nice and assume good faith. Don’t call “BS” on people making solid discussion remarks. You can disagree without being disagreeable.Second, graded stakes races can change over the years. Some are upgraded and others downgraded, it depends on a number of factors, such as purse money offered, etc. According to Equibase, which is the standard statistical database for horse races in the USA, the Arlington-Washington futurity was a G1 at the time this horse won it… had it not been, then yes, the horse would not meet the SNG at WP:NHORSERACING. Like I said above, there’s a line, and this horse is probably a good example pf just where the line is drawn. Montanabw^(talk) 03:48, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 08:17, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Very Weak Keep As a stub which has not had any improvement I loathe to keep such articles. If it resurfaces because it passes WP:SNG then there better be improvement in the area of why it deserves to have an article. One liners like this that have been around for 10 years+ and no one has made an effort to improve are understandingly on the chopping block. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 16:31, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment We can all agree that it should be improved if kept. Montanabw^(talk) 02:57, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 22:01, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.