Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scuffler

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. This result does not preclude merging or redirecting, for which there was no clear consensus. However, the clear consensus is not to delete. causa sui (talk) 03:30, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Scuffler[edit]

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A scuffler is a kind of horse drawn hoe [1] [2], for which use I can find a dozen references. Never heard of this term for a bread cake , and cannot find any reliable sources refering to it. Elen of the Roads (talk) 23:34, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ Unverifiable at best. Books LLC has published a copy of this article. Other than that, everything is about the farm implement, there are no sources for the foodstuff. Edward321 (talk) 13:10, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Bread roll. DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered's link shows the term does exist, but it's just another term for bread roll. Edward321 (talk) 13:18, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 02:21, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 02:21, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete. Verifiable or not, Wikipedia isn't the place for dictionary definitions. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 06:56, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. For a start here is a reliable source which mentions it. Doing a search for the term, and omitting key phrases from our article to defeat people who stole it with no credit, finds plenty of references to it. Some are more reliable than others, but the BL mentioning it clinches it for me as I hope/assume that they do not do their research on Wikipedia. The "dictionary definition" argument is fair enough, but surely it just means that it is a stub which should be expanded if possible, not an article that needs deleting immediately. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 08:34, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Or Merge if no descriptive WP:RS can be found. I'm quite happy to concede that all the menus etc - which a careful search will find - don't necessarily constitute encyclopaedic evidence. So if research (which I'm not willing to undertake, I have to add) doesn't produce anything or isn't done then fine. If it's merged then the history is still there and if a bread expert (!) wants to rescue it with good refs sometime in the future, then great. The only outcome that I think would certainly be undesirable would be to delete it - I really cannot see a credible argument for this. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 09:00, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per DBaK. NtheP (talk) 17:26, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Not in Oxford English Dictionary in this sense.PamD (talk) 22:58, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: it depends whether the "Scuffler" is a distinctive type of bread-roll, or just a distinctive word for a bread-roll. The BL ref only verifies the latter. Can someone find a WP:RS for the existence of a distinctive type of bread-roll called a Scuffler? If so, then keep. PamD (talk) 22:58, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete we need reliable sources which feature it, not reliable sources which mention it's existence. Stuartyeates (talk) 01:57, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Yes maybe, but there's a bit of goalpost-shifting going on here. The original nom said they couldn't find an RS referring to it. I found one with almost no searching at all. I haven't got some passionate desire to keep this article but I did think it was quite poor that this claim could be made on what must have been almost no research. I was more impressed with the editor who changed their !vote once they had seen that there was at least one RS which mentioned its existence. The current nom is greatly weakened by its initial inaccuracy - it would be much stronger if it was put together clearly and correctly. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 08:44, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Bread roll#Various forms. Having looked at the bread rolls article, this is the obvious home for descriptions of local versions of bread roll. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 08:52, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.