Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scott Gouthro

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The result was delete. Although Mishae never came out and stated it, it's clear he's arguing to keep. Still, the preponderance of opinion here is that this doesn't meet WP:GNG or the provisions of WP:NSPORT. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:18, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Scott Gouthro[edit]

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His playing career does not denote notability per WP:NHOCKEY. He also fails as a coach because he has never coached a team, he has been a goaltending coach. And contrary to what the article says he is not a coach with the Calgary flames, he is only a goaltending coach for their AHL affiliate. Tchaliburton (talk) 03:15, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Tchaliburton: Have you looked at the third sentence of the first ref? I clearly says there:

Scott Gouthro, 33, has joined the Calgary Flames organization and will be the goalie coach for the AHL’s Adirondack Flames.

--Mishae (talk) 03:19, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. It says he will be the goaltending coach for the Adirondack Flames, not the Calgary Flames. The Adirondack Flames are part of the Calgary Flames organization. In any case, that wouldn't make him notable anyway. Tchaliburton (talk) 03:24, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Tchaliburton: What about coaching of Paralympians? Like I found plenty of refs which I put in Further reading section since I don't know where they fit. Like, maybe he doesn't pass WP:NHOCKEY but what about GNG???--Mishae (talk) 03:27, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe that sledge hockey falls under WP:NHOCKEY. I'm not sure what the policy is regarding Paralympians, but I suspect that a goaltending/video coach would not be inherently notable. He would need to meet WP:SPORTCRIT or, as you suggest, WP:GNG. But the coverage has to go beyond WP:ROUTINE. I don't see the coverage needed. Tchaliburton (talk) 04:08, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Tchaliburton: Yes, he wont be notable for being just a coach however he was covered by the Chronicle Herald twice, and that's not a daily newspaper. ;)--Mishae (talk) 05:09, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That's still nowhere near satisfying WP:SIGCOV. Tchaliburton (talk) 05:16, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep: Sledge hockey is a sport not covered at all by NSPORTS, and sledge hockey competitors must satisfy the GNG. Minor league assistant coaches are indeed not inherently notable. As far as the Paralympics goes, the source plainly states that he "worked" with the team, not that he was an official coach of the team. Nonetheless, while I agree that he meets none of the applicable SNGs, the sources in the article discuss the subject in the significant detail the GNG and SIGCOV requires. It's a common fallacy that WP:ROUTINE debars sports coverage, which it in fact does not: it debars routine day-to-day match coverage and sports scores. Ravenswing 23:18, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete - First off, I changed two inaccurate statements. He was not a goalie with Cape Breton for nine years, he was a coach for that long. And no, he is not a coach with the Calgary Flames. He is a coach with the Adirondack Flames. My weak delete vote comes from the fact that the coverage I can see is almost exclusively local coverage from small-time papers in Cape Breton and Adirondack. I could be pushed to neutral if those sources were used to creates something a little more meaty, or to a weak keep if some wider coverage can be demonstrated. Reso lute 00:10, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Nothing in his coaching career seems to grant him automatic notability and he lacks the coverage required by GNG. 204.126.132.231 (talk) 16:56, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam Walton (talk) 16:33, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Michig (talk) 17:26, 26 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Doesn't meet any notability criteria for hockey players or coaches. There's also a lack of significant independent coverage as required by WP:GNG. Jakejr (talk) 03:11, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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