Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scott Cruz

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The consensus is that this article does not meet the criteria for inclusion on Wikipedia -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 21:27, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Scott Cruz[edit]

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Autobio with no real evidence of notability. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:17, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep per WP:MUSIC. Cruz meets criteria 8 - he has written the music for a notable television series (The Nostradamus Effect). The fact that he has won three Telly awards, while not independently indicative of notability, does it for me. Claritas § 18:20, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think you actually mean criterion 10. However, it seems that we are using the wrong criteria altogether. Recent changes to the article make it clear that his "notable" work is as a composer, not a performer. The composer criteria are somewhat different. I'm having a hard time deciding if he meets composer criterion 1 or not. Some music editor input please? --UncleDouggie (talk) 01:46, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unless good third party sources turn up, that is the usual standard for notability. As I read it he fails criterion 8, since that calls for him to win or be nominated for a major award, "such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury", etc; the "Tellys" are not a major award, and the wiki entry on the award is enlightenling... they don't seem hard to get (plus you have to pay for them). And criterion 10 ("Has performed music for a work of media that is notable") also reads "if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article". Hairhorn (talk) 19:47, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. — Gongshow ^Talk 19:27, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Other awards have to be paid for as well, ie: Grammys. The Telly Award recognizes the works of television and the post production of television. You do not pay to win an award. You pay for a statue just like the other awards. Once nominated for an award, you are reviewed an judged by the Telly Award council to declare if your works entitle you to win an award. I don't think its appropriate to down play the achievements of the Telly Awards. Telly Awards include commercials, documentaries as well as reality show. I believe that is a decent form notoriety. By the way, the Telly Awards have a article on Wiki...As for "The Nostradamus Effect", that show was the highest rated "non hosted" series on the History Channel. And "How Stuff Works" on Discovery channel is a well favored series as well as a website community of it's own. If a reality show actress (who's only notoriety is being followed by cameras) can be in the wiki, then a composer with work that has been included on known television shows should be as well.* —Preceding unsigned comment added by ScottCruz (talk • contribs) 20:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete. It comes down to specific vs. general notability here. Yes, he meets criterion #10 for musicians at WP:MUSIC. However, note the header at the top of the list: "A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, etc.) may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria."^{[emphasis added]} Performing a theme song does not make one automatically notable; the general standards of notability still apply, and that means significant coverage in reliable sources. There is no evidence of significant coverage. If he's been written about in a newspaper or magazine article, that would change things, but as of right now, there's a lot of unverifiable content in this article and not a lot of sources for the article to rely on. —C.Fred (talk) 21:01, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Performing a theme song is NOT the only piece of work mentioned. 11 television shows, 2 thematic pieces and 3 awards received in the span of 18 months, IMO, is notable. To me this is more boiling down to "celebrity status". Not criteria. Since when is IMDB not a reliable source of proof / credit.? So to me the debate REALLY is "Is Scott's work big enough to be on wiki" —Preceding unsigned comment added by ScottCruz (talk • contribs) 21:46, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Um, no. The issue is notability, backed up by reliable, third party sources. A good rule of thumb is that if you are truly notable, someone else will create a page about you. Hairhorn (talk) 11:10, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. He fails criterion 8 because the three awards are all Bronze Telly Awards, which are handed out in large numbers. There are so many that they don't even post the full list like they do with the Silver Awards, you can only search the Bronze database. I agree that they are judged and the awards may increase his notability within the industry, but they do not meet criterion 8 in any way. He does appear to meet criterion 10, depending on whether we consider his work other than "The Nostradamus Effect" to count, which would mean adding him to the The Nostradamus Effect article is insufficient. I will defer to those more versed in music on that matter, hence the "weak" keep. In any case, the article has obvious WP:COI issues still that are hard to fix without more published sources. I've added him to "The Nostradamus Effect", which is the first incoming link. --UncleDouggie (talk) 05:21, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you UncleDouggie..You are very helpful.. As for "Hairhorn"- Scott Cruz did NOT create this article. The username is a representation of the article that it was meant to be used for.NOT the user itself. --Scott Cruz Productions 01:42, 2 September 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by ScottCruz (talk • contribs)

Well if it's not an autobiography or a conflict of interest, you'll be able to tell us where all the detailed information in the entry comes from. ("Since the age of four, Cruz has always gravitated towards music and performance.", "By the age of seventeen, Cruz began to expand his expression through songwriting.", etc). It's third party references that will save this entry; no refs and deletion is pretty much inevitable. Hairhorn (talk) 03:08, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Self-promotion of a WP:NN dude. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Toddst1 (talk • contribs)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget 00:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Weak keep, weak delete, one way or the other, I have no opinion — but the tone of the article needs to be neutralized if it's kept around. Carrite (talk) 01:50, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as self-promotion failing WP:BIO. :| TelCo NaSp Ve :| 14:14, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.