Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Schools of Chinese Tea Ceremony (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete, and create Category:Chinese Tea Ceremony schools. The arguments against this article on notability grounds are compelling, and would apply equally to a list. However the same notability criteria do not as strongly apply to categories, and this suggestion by The Bushranger seems to satisfy the requirements of all parties; no non-notable article or list, but the articles in question are linked together and accessible via a common page.

The notability of the articles that now belong to the category was not a matter for discussion in this nomination. Should they subsequently be deleted and the category rendered empty, clearly it can be speedily deleted under WP:CSD#C1. waggers (talk) 12:02, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Schools of Chinese Tea Ceremony[edit]

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This organization does not seem notable. I can't find any good sources for it. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:07, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:BURDEN. As far as I can tell, this is not an organization in existence. The article refers to three schools that already have their own articles. Whether those three schools are notable is another question. Here, I don't see any notability for an article re-describing these three schools. What is the added value? This article is more a year old. Since it was AfD'd and tagged a year ago, there has been no improvement in establishing notability. The "references" do not actually say anything about these "schools of Chinese tea ceremony." Logical Cowboy (talk) 05:36, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:26, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:26, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:27, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Chinese tea culture. Doesn't warrant an independent article, and should be treated in main article or articles on individual schools. --Colapeninsula (talk) 12:02, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to List of Chinese Tea Ceremony schools or similar. A notable topic for a list, and a useful one in countering English Wikipedia's systemic bias--Pontificalibus (talk) 08:52, 16 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment A small change in title does not change notability. Why is this notable? Logical Cowboy (talk) 00:58, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:09, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BusterD (talk) 11:59, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. As long as the three articles on the schools exist, this list article is useful. If the nominator's wish is to delete the articles on the schools, it's those articles that need to be nominated, not this one, because deleting this one won't do anything about those. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:10, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per Pontificalibus. As long as the listed institutions are notable enough for articles, this article is a valid list article per WP:LIST. Rlendog (talk) 18:34, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Thanks but WP:LIST does not say which lists are notable. I question the notion that any list of three notable articles will itself be notable. We would then have a LOT of list articles. See also WP:NOTCATALOG. No one has actually made a case for why this list is notable. So no one has actually addressed the basis for the nomination. Logical Cowboy (talk) 23:53, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Convert to category Category:Chinese Tea Ceremony schools - a category would allow for grouping the schools per Roscelese's comment, while avoiding any notability concerns for the list itself. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:33, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.