Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Save Me (Ramona Nerra song)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 00:47, 20 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Save Me (Ramona Nerra song)[edit]

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Non-notable song. Hasn't charted, artist doesn't even have a Wikipedia page, not notable in any sort of way - Wikipedia:Notability (music). Obviously, if the song gets selected to represent Romania it will be notable, but wait until/if it does. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 15:49, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The artist has a Wikipedia page now. Although this song may not be notable, it is backed up by strong and reliable references and thus has much content. Cartoon network freak (talk) 17:13, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Just because an article is well-written, doesn't mean it can bypass notability rules. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 17:38, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It is not only well-written, but also incorporates much content. Good articles such as this are nothing compared to this. Cartoon network freak (talk) 19:22, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - no credible claim of notability, and WP:OVERCITE applies; if you look at the citations, most of them turn out to be cruft, blog posts and the like. Furthermore, Ramona Nerra herself lacks notability, and the article on her should be nominated for deletion. - Biruitorul ^Talk 18:18, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Can we get more opinions on this? I've spent a LOT of work on this, and 90% of the sources are strong. For example "Love Is a Camera" is a GA and it's not really notable, then why can it be kept but this not?? Cartoon network freak (talk) 19:30, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That song is notable because it charted. You should've read what makes a song notable before spending your time making this article, sorry. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 22:12, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Jjj1238: I apologize for intruding on this discussion. A song does not necessarily have to chart to be notable enough for its own page as commercial performance tracks only one aspect of notability. The main thing that I look for when gauging notability of an article or a list is whether or not the subject matter has significant coverage in third-party, reliable resources. If possible, could you explain why the sources do not support the song's notability? This question was posed by Cartoon network freak in the above comment, and I would also be interested in your answer as well. I am uncertain of the source's quality as a majority of them are in Romanian and cover topics, such as Eurovision, that I am not familiar with at all so I am unable to discern whether they are reliable enough or if the references to the song go beyond a passing mention. Thank you in advance. Aoba47 (talk) 21:08, 7 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's a Eurovision national final song. National final winning songs are only notable for competing in Eurovision (unless they have also charted or are by a very notable artist). Nerra placed rather low in the national final, her song has had very little coverage (even on Eurovision websites), and it hasn't charted. There's absolutely no claim to notability. The song is just being disguised behind a well-written article, it has absolutely no notability. I mainly edit Eurovision articles and it's basically a known fact in the community not to create articles for these songs until they win their national final. They hold no notability on their own. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 01:51, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Jjj1238: Thank you for your response and I apologize for my ignorance on this topic. I wanted to make sure that I had all of the information before casting a vote either way. With this information in mind, I will have to say delete. While I appreciate the time and energy put into this article, I have to agree with the above comments. Aoba47 (talk) 05:39, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete the singer lacks notability imo. ×º°”˜`”°º×ηυηzια×º°”˜`”°º× 19:31, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 01:08, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J 947 08:23, 12 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.