Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Savacou

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The result was keep. --Falcon Darkstar Kirtaran (talk) 02:06, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Savacou[edit]

Unnotable magazine. One of many copied from http://www.chimurengalibrary.co.za/ library with no actual sources. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 13:54, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Caribbean-related deletion discussions. —triwbe (talk) 14:10, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. http://www.chimurengalibrary.co.za/ is sufficiently selective and competent that having an article there is a sign of notability. --Eastmain (talk) 14:05, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No offense, but considering the format and writing quality of their articles, I'd have to disagree on the competent article. Some of these magazine articles are more biography than anything else. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 14:19, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and expand I do not think this article is promotional nor trivial and refs may be hard to find. But remember Wikipedia is not a mirror . --triwbe (talk) 14:15, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No evidence the subject satisfies notability. There is no inherent notability for apparently self-published comics. Are there multiple sources which are reliable, independent, and substantial (more than passing reference or directory listings)? Edison2 (talk) 15:54, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment For what they are worth, this version of the article has a lengthy list of 'references' which may be helpful; I haven't tried to find or look at any.John Z (talk) 16:37, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Chimurenga Library is not just a list of random articles. They archive historical African magazines, amongst other things. From their mission statement: Chimurenga Library is an online archiving project that profiles independent pan African paper periodicals from around the world. It focuses on cultural and literary magazines, both living and extinct, which have been influential platforms for dissent and which have broadened the scope for print publishing on art, new writing and ideas in and about Africa. They list 27 periodicals, hardly comprehensive, so a comment such as "Article just one of many copied from the Chimurengal Library articles" isn't helpful, or a reason to delete. They are being funded by contributers to the Wikipedia:WikiAfrica project in an attempt to improve the dire state of African literary content on Wikipedia. Finding no references in Google from an armchair is not a good way to assert notability - references will be print-based, and much harder to come by. I ask those making flip judgements of notability to bear this in mind, and to give the process time to unfold, rather than drain energy in deletion requests. Consider Wikipedia:Notability/Arguments#Notability_cannot_be_measured_for_some_historical_and_international_topics. The user making the contributions is not an experienced Wikipedian, so does not always know the right way to deal with things, and is not actively participating in the deletion discussions. Greenman (talk) 20:32, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Chimurenga Library is probably an RS, so the article already has one solid source then. Twentieth-century Caribbean Literature By Alison Donnell see also p.18 and 38 has a reasonable amount on the mag. 366 gscholar hits for it, including Breiner, Laurence. "How to Behave on Paper: the Savacou Debate." Journal of West Indian Literature. 6.1, 1993, p1-10, which seems to be about the magazine. It is also among the numerous refs at chimurenga library and the earlier version of the article, which are also probable evidence of notability. 702 gbooks hits many of course bibliographic, but some seem appropriate for the article.John Z (talk) 00:14, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per mutliple independent mentions, & involvement of someone of the stature of Edward Kamau Brathwaite is also an indication of notability.--Bsnowball (talk) 09:49, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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