Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sally Dworsky

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The result was keep. T. Canens (talk) 23:41, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sally Dworsky[edit]

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This singer doesn't seem to meet the criteria of WP:NSINGER and I could find no third party sources covering her extensively (beyond passing mentions). Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 23:58, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment a lot of her singing for the major films are referenced. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:23, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
AngusWOOF, they seem just passing mentions on the films and don't cover particularly in-depth about what she do and who she is. --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 00:25, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tyw7, fair enough. I would think she would be notable as the equivalent of a playback singer, and have some more news articles as with Lea Salonga AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:30, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

AngusWOOF, I've tried searching but I couldn't find any in Google News or Google beyond one or two sentence mentions of her roles --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 07:17, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Film, record and radio credits add up to notability. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 01:22, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Eastmain, but there's no third party source covers. --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 07:18, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The article has been lacking reliable sources which it has failed to meet WP:NFILM, as I agreed with Eastmain. Sheldybett (talk) 10:04, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sheldybett, you mean disagree. He voted for keep. --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 14:42, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I did find a half-way decent write up of her. I've added it to the article. ~~I think that this information about her could be incorporated into her brother's article and her article can redirect there.~~ I found an article about her brother where he's written music for her, etc. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 20:46, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Her brother's "article" is a redirect to the cast of Prairie Home Companion. No use going there. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 22:52, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Megalibrarygirl, the articles don't cover her specifically but more of her music --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 23:21, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Tyw7: This article is about her. But as Mary Mark Ockerbloom points out, there's no real article about her brother, either. What a mess. I think she's very borderline, but I wanted to see what I could find and I did turn up a little. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 23:32, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Megalibrarygirl, I agree. While she's in some major films I can't find significant content about her specifically. --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 00:40, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Tyw7: I'm confused. This article discusses her career, where she lives and her connection to her brother. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:48, 3 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Megalibrarygirl, hmm this is a weird one. I suspect most of the sources are offline. --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 18:57, 3 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Found an entry for "Dworsky, Sally" in the published book Disney Voice Actors: A Biographical Dictionary; as noted above, she has extensive film, record and radio credits. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 23:45, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Mary Mark Ockerbloom, yes but there's little media cover about her. While her work might be notable, she isn't. Notability isn't inherited. --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 00:38, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There is a lot more biographical info in the sources (the one added by Megalibrarygirl, and other shorter newspaper articles). She has been in two groups - Moore by Four, and Uma, and reviews of their albums and shows include some reviews of her performances. I also note that the song When You Believe, sung by Sally Dworsky and Michelle Pfeiffer, won the Academy Award for Best Original Song in 1999. She also co-wrote That's as Close as I'll Get to Loving You, which could mean that she meets WP:COMPOSER #1 "Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition." All of this could be added to the article. Also, I don't think that "Notability isn't inherited" applies here. WP:NOTINHERITED actually says "notability is usually neither inherited nor inherent" (my emphasis), and "four of the notability guidelines, for creative professions, books, films and music, do allow for inherited notability in certain circumstances". Writing a notable song is one circumstance where notability may be inherited. RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:24, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
RebeccaGreen, but as it stands the article is just a list of her performances with a paragraph about her. --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 14:41, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notability is about the subject of the article, not the content. The fact that an article can be improved is not a reason to delete it. RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:49, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Subject is notable. - Ret.Prof (talk) 15:32, 3 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Please focus only on reliable sources covering the subject (not a relative) in depth.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 06:10, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I have edited the article and added the sources and information I found. As I said above, I think that she meets WP:COMPOSER #1 "Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition," having co-written That's as Close as I'll Get to Loving You (for which she also got ASCAP awards for most-performed songs two years running). Also, although the Academy Award for Best Original Song goes to the composer and lyricist, not the performers, two songs in which she sang won that award, in 1995 and 1999. There was certainly newspaper coverage of her singing in those films. I would say that she also meets WP:BASIC, which says "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability". There are two mid-length articles largely about her, and many more shorter articles, reviews or sections in articles about artists/groups she performed with. (I don't know why her brother Richard Dworsky is redirected to A Prairie Home Companion - I found some lengthy coverage about him (and about her other brother Alan) when I was searching for her. RebeccaGreen (talk) 16:06, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per WP:HEY as the article has been significantly improved since the AFD nomination including extra sourced content and additions of references to reliable sources coverage so deletion is no longer necessary Atlantic306 (talk) 16:13, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Outstanding job by those who improved it. Kablammo (talk) 12:21, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Improved beyond all recognition compared with the bare-bones under-referenced list-type article which was nominated. Narky Blert (talk) 16:48, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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