Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sallar Deylami

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. There is no clear consensus on this article which has been re-listed three times and has been at AfD for over a month. It has failed to achieve clearer consensus after each such re-list so I am closing this as no consensus. (non-admin closure) st170e^talk 23:10, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sallar Deylami[edit]

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Article does not meet WP:GNG or WP:BASIC. Anastasia [Missionedit] (talk) 20:13, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. Anastasia [Missionedit] (talk) 20:18, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep :The article satisfy both of above criterion. according to WP:GNG resources does not need to be the main topic of the source material while all resources meet this condition. Also One of the criterion of natability -as you know definitly-Besided the multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability , also refers to WP:ANYBIO,WP:AUTHOR.m,sharaf (talk) 08:51, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Apparently an important Shia Islamic jurist, but needs more research and better references.--DThomsen8 (talk) 14:55, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I urge the article creator to read WP:MOSAR and WP:MOS-PE when deciding on a transliteration from Arabic-script languages. Also, because Arabic is the lingua franca of the (medieval) Islamic world, an Arabic-based name is often the preferred —and more commonly used— variant in English sources. In this case, try Sallār al-Daylamī, or the basic transcription Sallar al-Daylami (Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL). - HyperGaruda (talk) 17:44, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The recording of the name is both as persian-as the name of article- and also as arabic. I choose recording as persian because he was a persian jurist. I think this is just dependence of selection. m,sharaf (talk) 18:39, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and then Draft if needed as I was mixed between Keeping, but that's frankly only if this can actually be improved, and then Draft, which may allow for better familiar attention. SwisterTwister talk 04:50, 1 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Draft. Article subject is notable, but article needs a lot of improvements, and doing that is going to be difficult, because I think this is one of those subjects on which the available sources in English are going to be relatively poor – I'm sure there are many more sources in Arabic and Persian. (I can find reliable English sources that mention him, but none that discuss him in detail.) Persian Wikipedia doesn't appear to have an article on him. @Mehdi ghaed: since I take it you are a Persian speaker, maybe it would be a good idea to work on a Persian Wikipedia article first, using Persian language sources? If the Persian article becomes good enough, we could always try to get someone to translate it to English. Also, WikiShia has a decent if stubby article on him, but unfortunately no references, and I don't think we can use the WikiShia article since as far as I am aware it isn't a reliable source. SJK (talk) 07:22, 1 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm wrong, there is a Persian Wikipedia article: سلار دیلمی. I can't read Persian, but from Google translate it looks like it is better quality than this article. Maybe a good way forward would be to improve the English article by translating the Persian one. Still, unless someone with the necessary abilities steps forward to do it, I think sending it to draft until that time is the best option. SJK (talk) 07:27, 1 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@SJK: I think you've got the wrong page. فارسی is about the Persian language; you probably wanted to link سلار دیلمی. - HyperGaruda (talk) 12:54, 1 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, yes. I had the right article in mind, I just copy/pasted the wrong string. Farsi all looks the same to me, so easy kind of mistake for me to make. I corrected my comment. SJK (talk) 09:35, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify. Needs a lot more copyediting before this becomes mainspace-worthy. - HyperGaruda (talk) 12:54, 1 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Music1201 ^talk 22:48, 1 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 00:48, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 23:59, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. If there's a consensus that the subject is notable, then I don't see grounds for deleting or draftifying it. Removing it from mainspace deprives us of opportunities for other editors to collaboratively improve the article. -- IamNotU (talk) 20:38, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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