Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Salai Taret

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. I appreciate Steve Quinn's analysis here. It seems some information here is verifiable, but overall, there are enough concerns around the quality of sources and the coverage of this topic in sources to support deletion. That said, if someone would like to merge content from this article into a more general article (like Meitei people), feel free to contact me. I JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 07:27, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Salai Taret[edit]

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Article claiming to be about a clan concept within a small group of people in India, sourced only to blogs and similar. - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 17:44, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Searches literally turned nothing anything meaningful to add, thus fails GNG. KGirlTrucker81^{huh? what I've been doing} 17:57, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
fact: respected all, it isn't like that the things aren't real or meaningful if the related information are not in internet. There's lot in real world than the internet. The bigger media who suppose to give such information are busy focusing on bigger fish, completely ignoring the smaller fish. My creation of the article is just a smaller contribute or step from my side to conserve the age old system of the related people. The article is very much needed. More information will be added. It's like, no one is interested in this, All of you will know what am saying if you happen to research about it by coming down here in real life. Thanks all. I'll try to add more information. Punshiba18 (talk) 18:23, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
addition of references: have taken out the unreliable sources like blogs. Added few references. Please check it out and let us know. ThanksPunshiba18 (talk) 20:00, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
updated references: respected concern wikipedians, i have updated the related references of the page, please go through it. Thank you for your contribution.Punshiba18 ❯❯❯ Talk 19:33, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:29, 1 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:29, 1 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 22:41, 8 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

waiting for a clearer consensus: As the creator of the article, i would definitely say to please keep the article as its an important patrilineality system of the related community. I would like to further say, please re-examine the references updated after this discussion. More information will be added in future if, fortunately, the article is kept. Thank you all.Punshiba18 ❯❯❯ Talk 21:13, 12 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: even with the creator's addition of references the article still fails WP:GNG. DrStrauss talk 15:59, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

*Request to please wait for a while I know that Meitei are descended from 7 clans (yek salai) from personal knowledge. I would be happy to try and find sources and I am sure they exist. I find it very discouraging that editors do not search hard for sources and just vote delete. This happens a lot of time on topics from India and other Asian countries. However, I don't have time this weekend, so I will only be able to look at this on Monday. Could we please wait till Monday?--DreamLinker (talk) 16:22, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete article as of current form. I have changed my mind after spending 1.5 hours looking through sources. There is a lot of unsourced information. The title of the article itself it not specified in the sources and it seems to be conjectural. The sources are not peer reviewed and some seem to be unpublished theses. The journals are not high quality journals, but seem to be the online open access type. The flag is not mentioned anywhere. Usually I would have suggested a merge, but here the information is not very high quality and it is hard to verify. I think this article can be safely deleted because the information is not well sourced. Instead, I will search for high quality sources and add information to the section in the general article about Meitei people later.--DreamLinker (talk) 18:27, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I looked up the first reference which is a scholarly work. On Google Books, I went to the copyright page [1] and scrolled forward. On page 10 it very much backs up what Punshiba18 has in ~~the first part of~~ this article. This Wikipedia article might be historically relevant - reflecting scholarly investigations. The word "salai" does mean clan - and there are seven - appearing to relate to ancesteral gods. There is also the word "yek-salais" in the text. It says, "The valley was occupied by seven yek-salais, headed by their chieftans. I initially was only going to "comment" but I changed my mind to "keep" based on this. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 05:21, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I also think this reflects the lineage of one million and a half Manipurians - who seem to be descended from Meiteis, which goes way back (as far as I can determine). This helps to give this topic significance. Also, there is an academic journal article as a reference - so I am going to consider this scholarly investigation also. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 05:47, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.