Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sakthi T. K. Krishnasamy

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The result was keep. L Faraone 03:21, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sakthi T. K. Krishnasamy[edit]

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Non-notable individual lacking GHits and GNEWS of substance. Appears to fail WP:BIO and WP:CREATIVE. ttonyb (talk) 22:41, 11 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Noted Screen writer in Tamil films from 1950s and 1960s. online archives for Indian media begin only from 2000. So there is no coverage of him (or what exists is passing mentions in tribute pieces to actors of that era and re-reviews of 50s and 60s films ). His work in Veerapandiya Kattabomman is well remembered and is even mentioned in a Tamil Virtual University text book. As someone who wrote the script for a large number of notable tamil films he easily passes WP:ENT. I have offline Tamil books that have his film credits. If the article is kept, i will add them as references.--Sodabottle (talk) 06:44, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Please add some beforehand, as that could ensure a keep. Thanks, Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 03:18, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – All articles must meet certain criteria to establish notability (in this case WP:CREATIVE also applies) using reliable sources. The article lacks such sources. Unfortunately, just saying someone if famous or great is not enough to support an article in Wikipedia. If you provide adequate support per WP:RS and the article will survive, if not, it is likely the article will be deleted. ttonyb (talk) 03:37, 14 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- First of all, if related articles given as links from Wikipedia cannot be trusted as reliable sources for this article, then why in the first place such articles are still kept in Wikipedia. Please search few times on the internet, then you will know that there are not many links or resources available on (South) Indian Cinema of the 50(s) and 60(s) especially. Given that scenario, I genuinely think that enough creditable outside links and references are added to this article to substantiate the subject, let alone the related Wikipedia references and links. I have read so many pages or articles in Wikipedia on Indian Cinema, where I have some good knowledge in particular. Many of these pages have hardly any resources or external links at all to substantiate their contents, let alone to prove their quality. How come they are all there in Wikipedia then? I am not going to argue anything anymore with you on this, as I really don't get any benefit out of adding some contents to this article. I am not going to write anymore and waste my time here. All the best for all your great endeavours like this (taking such abstract decisions). Sudhavijayau (talk) 04:31, 14 December 2010 (UTC)SudhaVijayau[reply]

Keep Hey Guys, This section talks about a widely known (yesteryear) Tamil Cinema scriptwriter. Lots of his movies have been telecast in South Indian TV channels, especially the great historical classic of 'Veera Pandiya Kattabomman',which was repeatedly telecast on Indian Independence Day (August 15th) for quite number of years. I think this article is credit worthy and it should not be deleted. Chithra Anand —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.7.95.176 (talk) 00:50, 13 December 2010 (UTC) — 202.7.95.176 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Comment – All articles must meet certain criteria to establish notability (in this case WP:CREATIVE also applies)) using reliable sources. The article lacks such sources. Unfortunately, just saying someone if famous or great is not enough to support an article in Wikipedia. If you provide adequate support per WP:RS and the article will survive, if not, it is likely the article will be deleted. ttonyb (talk) 03:37, 14 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, if related articles given as links from Wikipedia cannot be trusted as reliable sources for this article, then why in the first place such articles are still kept in Wikipedia. Please search few times on the internet, then you will know that there are not many links or resources available on (South) Indian Cinema of the 50(s) and 60(s) especially. Given that scenario, I genuinely think that enough creditable outside links and references are added to this article to substantiate the subject, let alone the related Wikipedia references and links. I have read so many pages or articles in Wikipedia on Indian Cinema, where I have some good knowledge in particular. Many of these pages have hardly any resources or external links at all to substantiate their contents, let alone to prove their quality. How come they are all there in Wikipedia then? I am not going to argue anything anymore with you on this, as I really don't get any benefit out of adding some contents to this article. I am not going to write anymore and waste my time here. All the best for all your great endeavours like this (taking such abstract decisions). Sudhavijayau (talk) 04:31, 14 December 2010 (UTC)SudhaVijayau[reply]

Keep This article talks about a very famous writer of Tamil Film industry (esp. 50(s) and 60(s)). Many of his films were classics. It is sad that quite a few like this great film writer, who needs worldly recoginition, are not yet listed in Wikipedia. I am suprised somebody requests for deletion of this article even without knowing anything about its subject. Well I think we need to add more (film and literature) artciles like this guys. Tamilfilmsbuff (talk) 02:17, 14 December 2010 (UTC)Tamilfilmsbuff — Tamilfilmsbuff (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Comment – All articles must meet certain criteria to establish notability (in this case WP:CREATIVE also applies)) using reliable sources. The article lacks such sources. Unfortunately, just saying someone if famous or great is not enough to support an article in Wikipedia. If you provide adequate support per WP:RS and the article will survive, if not, it is likely the article will be deleted. ttonyb (talk) 03:37, 14 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have added some references, materials and links related to the subject of this article as requested by you.

Tamilfilmsbuff (talk) 07:57, 17 December 2010 (UTC)Tamilfilmsbuff[reply]

First of all, if related articles given as links from Wikipedia cannot be trusted as reliable sources for this article, then why in the first place such articles are still kept in Wikipedia. Please search few times on the internet, then you will know that there are not many links or resources available on (South) Indian Cinema of the 50(s) and 60(s) especially. Given that scenario, I genuinely think that enough creditable outside links and references are added to this article to substantiate the subject, let alone the related Wikipedia references and links. I have read so many pages or articles in Wikipedia on Indian Cinema, where I have some good knowledge in particular. Many of these pages have hardly any resources or external links at all to substantiate their contents, let alone to prove their quality. How come they are all there in Wikipedia then? I am not going to argue anything anymore with you on this, as I really don't get any benefit out of adding some contents to this article. I am not going to write anymore and waste my time here. All the best for all your great endeavours like this (taking such abstract decisions). Sudhavijayau (talk) 04:31, 14 December 2010 (UTC)SudhaVijayau[reply]

Comment – Since there is no mechanism to insure that accuracy of Wikipedia articles they are not considered as valid references for an article. See reliable sources. Wikipedia is about verifiability of the comments in the article. Unless the article has the references needed, it will not survive the AfD. It is the author's responsibility to insure the adequacy of references – it is not the reader's responsibility. As far as other article that may or may not be lacking they have no bearing in this discussion since all articles need to stand on their own merits. It is a shame you consider the addition of references to the article a waste of time. My best to you. ttonyb (talk) 04:55, 14 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- More references, relevant and trust-worthy links added to this article including a relevant article from an Indian National News Paper site, which talks about this subject. After reading the comments and testimony written by others (who really have knowledge about this article's contents) in support of this article, it's genuine subject and quality worthiness, I feel good that I wrote this article. I sincerely thank other supporters for their valuable time, efforts, comments and citations provided. Nothing more needs to be done from our side to substantiate anything else on this matter. Thanks to all and thanks to Tony as well. Bye all. Sudhavijayau (talk) 08:37, 14 December 2010 (UTC) SudhaVijayau[reply]
Keep per reasoned comments by User:Sodabottle as to the noteworthiness of this individual to Cinema of India, and in consideration of the difficulties inherent in Westerners finding online sources for pre-intenet Tamil films. I will gladly assume good faith that if Sodabottle says he has access to hardcopy books, and promises to add them as sources, that he will do just that. As the article is not a violation of WP:BLP or WP:NOT it serves the project to allow its continued improvement through regular editing. If it is not improved, then a second AFD might be considered. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 03:30, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I have added the relevant sources, to establish notability. To reiterate the points made in my keep vote,, he meets WP:ENT as the sole script writer for multiple notable tamil films (the full number is near 20). I have added sources for that. He is the recepient of the 1963 Kalaimamani award given by the Government of Tamil Nadu.(reference added). He is most known for his dialogues in Veerapandiya Kattabomman (which incidently won an award in the Cairo International film festival) and is remembered for the still. He is praised in a text book lesson on "language of Tamil films" as The credit for changing the trend of making mythological films to films with social themes belongs to Sakthi Krishnasamy. He is also the one who wrote the blistering dialogues for Veerapandiya Kattabomman. (source added). As i have mentioned earlier it is difficult to find sources online, but offline sources do exist. For example, the one i am using (A history of record making Tamil films) is a book commissioned by the Govt of Tamil Nadu and published in 2004. I hope this satisfies the notability concerns--Sodabottle (talk) 12:30, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Nice work. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 13:12, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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- Even though I started this article and added quite a few references and links to substantiate its subject, the work our user, "Sodabottle" has done here is exemplary and outstanding. Thanks for all your efforts "Sodabottle". You enriched this article with excellent and relevant references, citations and Bibliography. People like you actually encourage people like me to write more for the benefit of our society. I kind of focus on “lost heroes in the modern internet world”. There are many (Indian and other world greats, the people I am well aware of), who became great legends in their own areas of work, by their splendid life time contributions and achievements, are still not available in Wikipedia pages to search and read. Adding pages on them and their work should really benefit our literary world community. Hats off to you again "Sodabottle". Thanks to everybody else who contributed to this article and other useful and resourceful Wikipedia pages. Regards. Sudhavijayau (talk) 00:34, 16 December 2010 (UTC) Sudhavijayau[reply]

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