Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sébastien Ruster

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The result was no consensus. MBisanz ^talk 17:00, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sébastien Ruster[edit]

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Article about footballer who made 2 substitute's appearances for Swindon Town in the fully-pro English fourth level. The only online coverage of this player is routine (e.g., match reports, transfer announcements/controversy, or statistical database entries). There is nothing significant in this coverage, and nothing at all since he left Swindon Town in 2003. Prior consensus (e.g., Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Phakamani Mngadi) is that a nominal amount of play in a fully-pro league doesn't meet WP:NFOOTBALL when an article comprehensively fails WP:GNG - as is the case here. Jogurney (talk) 16:47, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. MarginalCost (talk) 17:32, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. MarginalCost (talk) 17:32, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 17:56, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Leviv ich 17:56, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions.CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 17:57, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – no significant coverage to satisfy WP:GNG. The best I can find is this borderline coverage, this routine coverage, and this brief mention. His old team profile says he played 3 games: 2 as a substitute and 1 as a starter 15 years ago. WF and SW confirm he has only played amateur since then, and is now 36 years old. Barely passes NFOOTY but does not meet GNG. Delete. Leviv ich 18:29, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct that he made one start in the EFL Trophy competition. Not a fully-pro league, but I suppose some would argue it's roughly the equivalent (it's not as many clubs don't take it seriously - which appears to be the case with Swindon when he started). Jogurney (talk) 20:01, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ah–I didn't pick up on that, thanks for point it out. Some might argue otherwise, but not a fully-pro league is not a fully-pro league, so you are correct: 2 NFOOTY game appearances, not 3, and both as a substitute. Leviv ich 22:00, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the EFL Trophy appearance satisfies WP:NFOOTY as it was between two teams from fully professional leagues (even if it wasn't actually a league match), as would his one appearance in the FA Cup. So he has four appearances in WP:NFOOTY-counting matches, even if only two of them are technically fully professional league matches. Smartyllama (talk) 19:06, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Passes WP:NFOOTY and also scrapes by WP:GNG with the Sky Sports article, a couple articles on his FIFA/CAS case regarding his transfer fee which I added to the article, and several French articles (though they could be interviews, I don't know French.) SportingFlyer T·C 00:08, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes WP:NFOOTY and I think the transfer saga means he also passes WP:GNG. Number 5 7 12:07, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails GNG. Keep by NFOOTY is irrelevant as NFOOTY merely creates a presumption of SIGCOV - in cases where this is challenged - then absent coming up with the significant, reliable, independent sources - the subject should be deleted. In this case our subject just barely scrapes by the NFOOTY bar (having played 2 games in a borderline league), has since returned to amateur football and is unlikely to garner more coverage as he hasn't been a pro for quite some time. Icewhiz (talk) 14:19, 17 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep there is enough coverage here to satisfy GNG from a quick Google search. This player meets agreed notability criteria, a willing editor with an interest in these teams or leagues can expand this whenever they like seeing as we are not on deadline to finish it. Borgarde (talk) 02:20, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - meets WP:NFOOTBALL, and likely meets WP:GNG. Giant Snowman 09:14, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Passes WP:NFOOTBALL.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:42, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - For those arguing that the article meets the GNG, could you please explain why? I don't think the Skysports article gets there, but it is the least routine coverage on the subject. I'm sorry but a name drop in an article about the CAS appeal by Swindon Town isn't significant coverage of this footballer. I tried and came up way short on finding GNG-compliant sourcing. Jogurney (talk) 17:55, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Sky Sports article on its own wouldn't get any article past WP:GNG, the Gazzette and Herald article isn't bad either, there are several articles on his FIFA/CAS case, several articles in French, and coverage which we'd consider routine for GNG purposes but that could also be considered helpful in fleshing out the article. GNG's not that difficult a bar. SportingFlyer T·C 01:34, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Passes WP:NFOOTY with four appearances (including the EFL Trophy and FA Cup per above) and also WP:GNG thanks to the SkySports source and CAS coverage. Smartyllama (talk) 19:08, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The sourcing is not there, so ignore the ludicrously low NFooty.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:04, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - meets WP:NFOOTBALL Peter303x (talk) 03:15, 21 March 2019 (UTC) 20240516152818[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tymon.r Do you have any questions? 23:01, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment @Tymon.r: Why was this relisted? SportingFlyer T·C 23:07, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@SportingFlyer, per WP:RELIST. IMO, basing on comments above, further discussion is definitely needed to establish at least a rough consensus on keeping/deleting this article. Best, Tymon.r Do you have any questions? 23:16, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Tymon.r: Thank you for responding so quickly. Just a reminder per WP:RELIST to write an explanatory note when there have been a number of commentators in the article. SportingFlyer T·C 23:19, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This one is very borderline. 2 NFOOTY games; there's plenty of precedent that that's not enough. As for GNG, Gazette & Herald is 20+ sentences all about the player, but SkySports is 8 sentences, and BBC is 7 sentences. These really aren't SIGCOV IMO. This article has 2 NFOOTY games and 1 example of SIGCOV going for it. Leviv ich 23:14, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Levivich. WP:NFOOTY is part of WP:NSPORTS which says Please note that the failure to meet these criteria does not mean an article must be deleted; conversely, the meeting of any of these criteria does not mean that an article must be kept. The subject-specific guideline is subservient to the general notability guideline. General notability has not been established and thus the article should be deleted. SITH (talk) 14:07, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I looked at the three sources in the article. None of them actually talk about his playing football. WP:NFOOTY is an absurdly low bar and needs to get rewritten so we can avoid these silly articles. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:32, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.