Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Russian classical dance
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Procedural close. DAB page was changed to a redirect during the discussion. (non-admin closure) MB 06:57, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Russian classical dance[edit]
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I believe this is a made up topic and that the term “Russian classical dance” is not used to mean “traditional dance” so there is no need for this page. Mccapra (talk) 02:50, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Dance and Russia. Mccapra (talk) 02:50, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Not really as the term "classical dance" could also mean traditional dance. The disambiguation to avoid confusion. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 03:01, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Can you show any sources that reflect this usage? Mccapra (talk) 20:29, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Example 1
Example 2
Example 3 - As examples had shown, the usage of the term "classical dance" can be expanded into traditional dances. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 21:45, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- These examples don’t show what you’re claiming at all. Indeed your first example illustrates the opposite. It says “ Hawaiian society has long had both formal classical dances and folk dances” (i.e. it contains two distinct and not synonymous forms). In any case your examples are about dance generally, Korea and Japan. You haven’t produced any sources to show that the specific term “Russian classical dance” ever means “Russian traditional dance.” There is a specific genre of dance in each culture which is usually described as “classical” and that includes some ancient forms, but these are distinct from folk forms. Your argument that the term “classical can be expanded into traditional dances really means “I decided to expand it.” If these are no actual examples of the term be used as you claim, there is no basis for having this page. Mccapra (talk) 09:14, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- I will had to ask a Russian or someone who speaks Russian or someone who studied Russian culture if the term "Russian classical dance" is also used for traditional dance. I cannot speak the Russian language. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 16:17, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- UPDATE: Andrey aka Ghirlandajo had stated that in Russia, "Russian classical dance" is a another name for Russian ballet. Because of this, we may had to use a redirect to an article on Russian-style ballet. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 03:09, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- I will had to ask a Russian or someone who speaks Russian or someone who studied Russian culture if the term "Russian classical dance" is also used for traditional dance. I cannot speak the Russian language. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 16:17, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- These examples don’t show what you’re claiming at all. Indeed your first example illustrates the opposite. It says “ Hawaiian society has long had both formal classical dances and folk dances” (i.e. it contains two distinct and not synonymous forms). In any case your examples are about dance generally, Korea and Japan. You haven’t produced any sources to show that the specific term “Russian classical dance” ever means “Russian traditional dance.” There is a specific genre of dance in each culture which is usually described as “classical” and that includes some ancient forms, but these are distinct from folk forms. Your argument that the term “classical can be expanded into traditional dances really means “I decided to expand it.” If these are no actual examples of the term be used as you claim, there is no basis for having this page. Mccapra (talk) 09:14, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Example 1
- Can you show any sources that reflect this usage? Mccapra (talk) 20:29, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Ok thanks, so no actual basis for this as a disambiguation page. Mccapra (talk) 16:11, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:42, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep During this discussion the page was changed back again to be a redirect to Russian ballet and this has caused confusion. The present redirect is fine, it should not be deleted and anyway this is (now) the wrong venue to seek deletion. The short-lived disambiguation page was also OK (possibly better) but there is no need to continue with instability. It is often unfortunate when a deletion request intervenes in a spell of active editing or moving. Talk page discussion is better. Thincat (talk) 08:52, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.