Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert Henley (Birmingham mayor)

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs) 02:40, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Henley (Birmingham mayor)[edit]

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No indication that this individual meets WP:NPOL or WP:GNG. One of the two sources is another wiki. Marquardtika (talk) 18:59, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 19:23, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Alabama-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 19:23, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Georgia (U.S. state)-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 19:24, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment are we sure there's not a couple other sources that would get him past WP:GNG? Birmingham's large enough that I would expect he would be covered somewhere. SportingFlyer talk 02:29, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Likely Keep The first mayor of Birmingham, Alabama. There are several possible sources at http://www.bhamwiki.com/w/Robert_Henley about the subject's life. Confederate Veteran, Volume 16 says that the subject was a major (presumably in the confederate army). Some sources say he was the editor of the Birmingham Sun. --Enos733 (talk) 17:41, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Journalism-related deletion discussions. Enos733 (talk) 17:41, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep if somebody can actually show some solid sources before closure, delete otherwise. Birmingham is certainly a large enough city that a substantive and properly sourced article about a mayor would be deemed to pass WP:NPOL #2, but the role is not so "inherently" notable that we would need to keep a short, badly sourced stub which only just barely goes any further than stating that he existed. And while it is true that it's entirely possible to write a bad, seemingly deletable article about a person who actually passes our notability criteria, the saving play in a case like that is not simply presuming that better sources probably exist, but showing hard proof that better sources do exist (and I can't be the angel of salvation here, as I only have access to Canadian sourcing in his era, not the American kind where he might actually have some coverage.) So this needs to go if it doesn't see improvement, and then can certainly be recreated again in the future if somebody actually puts in the effort to write and source something considerably better than this — but as it stands, nothing about him is so "inherently" notable that it would be necessary to keep it in this form. Bearcat (talk) 19:56, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I added a couple sources from newspapers.com; Bearcat, does that look good to you? The 1910 article has a few more details that can be used if someone wants to clean up the page a bit more. I did find sources calling him a major. Given governor Lindsey's character, I supposed Henley may have been a Confederate officer, but that is far from certain. He was 18 when the Civil War broke out, 22 when it ended, pretty young to be a major (of course, not too young by any means in a war noted in its use of child soldiers). He may have been a major in another body, such as a state or local militia. He may have also received the honorific for some other reason (I don't know about major, but the title captain was given to boat pilots and other military-derived titles to people in fraternal organizations). Smmurphy^(Talk) 14:22, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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