Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert Ghansah

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The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 13:00, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Ghansah[edit]

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Footballer who fails GNG and NFOOTY. BlameRuiner (talk) 07:15, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 07:57, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 07:57, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ghana-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 07:57, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:14, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - multiple appearances in the Ghana Premier League claimed (the fact he has played verified by this) so meets WP:NFOOTBALL. Article needs improving, not deleting. GiantSnowman 10:21, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - report above only mentions him as a sub, so better sources needed. I tried checking his career season by season as listed in the article and it looks like he only played in 2nd level leagues or lower in Ghana. Apparently the infobox is also incorrect as it doesn't show him playing for Wise in 2013. --BlameRuiner (talk) 11:05, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down (talk) 06:56, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. How does one improve an article that has zero GNG sources? He's been playing in UAE and Oman the last 4 years, it's not like football coverage in the Gulf states in the 2010s is some inaccessible offline black hole. If he's only notable from his time on Wise to Ebusua, where would this alleged SIGCOV exist? How often do editors actually uncover ungoogleable non-trivial RS on contemporary Ghanaian footballers? JoelleJay (talk) 05:03, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I can't find any clear evidence that he passes WP:GNG in my searches. He might pass NFOOTBALL, he might not. As BlameRuiner has pointed out, we have evidence that he was an unused substitute in a game between two sides playing in an FPL but no evidence of actual playing. Even if he did play in such a game, we have no evidence that the NFOOTBALL pass is strong enough to completely supersede the very clear GNG concern. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:51, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Present sources are not enough to pass WP:BASIC. DmitriRomanovJr (talk) 12:56, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Its an interesting discussion here. Article claims he spent 2017-2018 playing with Al Shabab SC, winners of the Oman Professional League Cup for that year. This does not count as first class league as per WP:FPL ??? --Whiteguru (talk) 11:27, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oman is listed as not fully professional on that list. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:23, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete subject does not pass GNG.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:49, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep passes NFOOTY per his appearances in Ghana. I sympathise with the concerns of editors about GNG, but I find there is a distinct lack of internet sources for Ghanaian footballers generally (I don't even know of a stats website for the Ghanaian Premier League). Microwave Anarchist (talk) 09:40, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Microwave Anarchist, are the stats at ghanafa.org (1 hit for Robert Ghansah) or footballghana.com (0 hits) or ghanasoccernet.com (5 hits) not sufficient? Most coverage from Ghana is passing mention of his sharing Top Scorer award for the 2013 MTN FA Cup (not SIGCOV). I searched in graphic.com.gh, ghanaiantimes.com.gh, dailyguidenetwork.com, yen.com.gh, theheraldghana.com, ghpage.com, ghheadlines.com, pulse.com.gh, and a few others and couldn't find anything. Anyway, how likely is it he would have garnered SIGCOV playing for Eleven Wise in 2013 and zilch playing for Oman or UAE more recently? JoelleJay (talk) 15:47, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what SIGCOV does exist for him but there doesn't seem to be any online. However, this is why we have SNGs as there is going to be systemic bias against people from less developed nations as there are less online sources for them, so that's why it is a weak keep from me. Microwave Anarchist (talk) 17:06, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Microwave Anarchist, reference to the BIAS essay does not appear anywhere on NSPORT; the closest I can find is in FAQ Q4, which states (emphasis mine): There is no fixed rule, as it may differ in each specific case. Generally, though, since there is no fixed schedule to complete Wikipedia articles, given a reasonable expectation that sources can be found, Wikipedia editors have been very liberal in allowing for adequate time, particularly for cases where English language sources are difficult to find. For a contemporary sports figure in a sport that is regularly covered by national media in English, less leeway may be given. The teams he played for unambiguously fall under the bolded portion, as evidenced by the many newspapers/websites I listed above that discuss Ghanaian football in detail in English during the time he was active there. I will also note the first sentence on NSPORT states an SSG only presumes to meet GNG -- if notability is challenged GNG must actually be demonstrated. FAQ Q5 lays this out explicitly:

The second sentence in the guideline says "The article must provide reliable sources showing that the subject meets the general notability guideline or the sport specific criteria set forth below." Does this mean that the general notability guideline doesn't have to be met?
A5: No; as per Q1 and Q2, eventually sources must be provided showing that the general notability guideline is met. This sentence is just emphasizing that the article must always cite reliable sources to support a claim of meeting Wikipedia's notability standards, whether it is the criteria set by the sports-specific notability guidelines, or the general notability guideline.

JoelleJay (talk) 04:09, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fair point, I've struck my !vote. Microwave Anarchist (talk) 09:36, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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