Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rob Brettle
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Black Kite (t) (c) 15:25, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Rob Brettle[edit]
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- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. —Qwfp (talk) 19:44, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No evidence that this person meets any of the criteria at Wikipedia:Notability (people). {{notability|bio}} tag removed but no independent reliable sources with significant coverage have been added. Qwfp (talk) 19:35, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - no coverage in reliable sources to establish notability -- User:whpq 16:05, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - the criteria expressed as "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of published[3] secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject" seems to have been met Historyboy2010 (talk) 22:51, 9 July 2010 (UTC) — Historyboy2010 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- note: I have read the articles and they seem well researched and knowledgable Historyboy2010 (talk) 23:02, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - That's strong conclusion to come to when the sources consist of the (1-4) Christian Mission Historical Association Archives which are not about him, but rather article written by him, and (5) election result statistics, and (6) a dance list that doesn't even have his name listed in it. What is needed is significant coverage about him. -- Whpq (talk) 10:32, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - The person has clearly written historical material - is there a requirement that people should have written about him for him to appear on Wikipedia?Historyboy2010 (talk) 23:00, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - I have found an editorial from the Christian Mission Historical Association about Mr Brettle "Christian Mission Historical Association editorial". Retrieved 2010-07-11., does this count? Historyboy2010 (talk) 23:06, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - The person has clearly written historical material - is there a requirement that people should have written about him for him to appear on Wikipedia?Historyboy2010 (talk) 23:00, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - That's strong conclusion to come to when the sources consist of the (1-4) Christian Mission Historical Association Archives which are not about him, but rather article written by him, and (5) election result statistics, and (6) a dance list that doesn't even have his name listed in it. What is needed is significant coverage about him. -- Whpq (talk) 10:32, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- note: I have read the articles and they seem well researched and knowledgable Historyboy2010 (talk) 23:02, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Non-notable as a writer, historian, or politician. I could find nothing at Google or Google Books except mirrors of this article. In reply to Historyboy, Mr. Brettle himself does not appear to have been the subject of any published secondary source material. --MelanieN (talk) 19:19, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —fetch·comms 01:07, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- MAY I MAKE A SUGGESTION - perhaps Mr Brettle is not notable in himself but his field of research does need something on wikipedia. Perhaps a generic page on Historians of the Salvation Army with an entry about Mr Brettle and other historians of that organisation. Historyboy2010 (talk) 10:29, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Question' - Is there coverage in reliable sources about historians of the salvation army? Each topic in Wikipedia needs to establish notability. -- Whpq (talk) 13:17, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - The article should be on the historical society, not its founder. Carrite (talk) 19:31, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply Do you have any evidence that the association is notable? And in any case, there is no material here that forms the basis of such an article except the statement that Mr. Brettle is a founder. -- Whpq (talk) 19:39, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Does it exist? Yes: http://www.sacollectables.com/cmha/volume1/pages/editorial.htm Is it notable? I leave that to you. Carrite (talk) 23:04, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I wasn't suggesting an article on the Christian Mission Historical Association I was suggesting an article on historians of the Salvation Army. In answer to Whpq - yes there are many contributors to Salvation Army history - Arch R Wiggins for one - and as Wikipedia is the place people turn to for information the inforamtion should be on Wikipedia. When I said "that organisation" I was not referring to the Christian Mission Historial Association, but referring to the Salvation Army. Historyboy2010 (talk) 23:13, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply Do you have any evidence that the association is notable? And in any case, there is no material here that forms the basis of such an article except the statement that Mr. Brettle is a founder. -- Whpq (talk) 19:39, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.