Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rise of the Zombies

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The result was Userfied to User talk:Corn cheese/Rise of the Zombies Wifione ^Message 14:12, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Rise of the Zombies[edit]

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meets wp:crystal, based on one reference that looks like a fan page. Could not find anything verifiable on google about premier of this film. Wikishagnik (talk) 06:26, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral. Right now at this specific point in time, there is no coverage of this film except with various places re-publishing the official SyFy press release. Both of the current sources on the article rely entirely on primary sources and wouldn't show notability, as reprintings of press releases do not count towards notability. It's fairly likely that the film will get some coverage due to its cast, but that's no guarantee and we can't keep articles based upon "probably will". I have no problem with someone userfying the article until sources become available.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 07:29, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Changing vote to neutral. I'm a little leery about keeping an article that hasn't received any coverage beyond reprints of the PR, but considering that it's so close to premiering and has the cast members it does, I'll bow to the rationale below.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 05:14, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How does it look like a fan page? Corn cheese (talk) 07:39, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Userfy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Corn cheese (talk • contribs) 23:50, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or userfy at this point, as it violates WP:CRYSTAL. It is too soon to create an article about this right now. TBr and ley 01:45, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 20:30, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 20:30, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I am inclined to say "keep" for several reasons. First, WP:CRYSTAL does not apply because we can have articles about upcoming films, especially if "the subject matter must be of sufficiently wide interest that it would merit an article if the event had already occurred". This film is completed and is highly likely to be screened; films that have not started filming are far less likely to be completed and screened. I do note that solid coverage is lacking at this point but would not be surprised to see it emerge in the lead-up based on Trejo's involvement and seasonal (Halloween-type) coverage. So it kind of falls in that gray area between holding onto this article and getting rid of it. I would prefer to hold onto it and reassess the topic's notability later. Another comment: it seems like we should have a "List of Syfy original films" since I'm sure that we do not have articles for all their films (and thus the category would not be helpful). If we had such a list, I could support merging this article there until we can determine stand-alone notability. Erik (talk | contribs) 20:40, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

AKA: Dead Walking

Keep per Eric's cogent observations above. Also known as Dead Walking, a special point to remember here is that we are not speaking about something not yet filmed, nor about something with a tenuous release date in 2013 or 2014 or 2015. We have confirmation that filming has been completed, confirmation of an air-date less than 3 weeks away, and enough reliable sources available with which to flesh out the article.[1] What can be easily addressed through regular editing does not require deletion. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 22:49, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Userfy This is not a WP:CRYSTAL situation, as described. It still does not meet the WP:GNG requirements, which require significant coverage in reliable secondary sources, however. The only sources cited are press releases and listings, which are WP:ROUTINE. There is a possibility that there will be secondary-source coverage after it airs, however, and thus I think the most judicious solution is to userfy for possible future use. In the meantime, I recommend making a brief mention of the upcoming program in the Syfy article, where it easily fits in under "Syfy original movies", and redirecting this to that section for now. --Batard0 (talk) 20:13, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How about a redirect while keeping the history? I found a few non-PR reliant sources via Dread Central, so I'm going to hope for the best with all of this. If all else fails, I wouldn't mind userfying it. I'm a little bit of a Trejo fangirl so I wouldn't mind putting in the work.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 12:45, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Wily D 08:51, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I just found a source that says that this movie was originally filmed under the title "Dead Walking", so I'm going to do a search based on that. I thought I'd drop a note here for any new editors coming into the AfD to check back to see if I can find anything usable.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 12:51, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Duh. Just saw it was already mentioned above. I guess I need more coffee. In any case, I couldn't find anything I could actually use here.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 13:05, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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