Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richards–Young family

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The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:24, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Richards–Young family[edit]

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Several WP:BEFORE source searches are providing almost no information in independent, reliable sources other than a name check or two. Does not appear to meet WP:GNG to qualify for an article. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 10:10, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 10:10, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 10:10, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 10:10, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Utah-related deletion discussions (by another user). North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 17:03, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Families don't get much more notable than this. Anyone willing to turn this into an article - or split it into multiple articles - more in keeping with other pages in Category:Families from Utah; Category:Political families of the United States?E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:15, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – @E.M.Gregory: If the topic is so notable (per Wikipedia's standards), then why is there almost no source coverage of the topic to be found anywhere? Try out the Find sources links atop this nomination. Please provide sources, if you're able to find any, but they need to be independent, reliable, and provide significant coverage to even begin qualifying an article. None appear to exist. Regarding your statement, "Anyone willing to turn this into an article"; it already is an article, but from my source searches, it cannot even be verified. Deletion seems obvious in this case; no sources cover the topic from the start; it fails WP:N. See also: WP:NOTGENEALOGY. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:36, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think the hyphen is the problem. Brigham Young and his descendants can certainly support a "notable family" article. And it looks as though the Richards family can also support one. As I said, someone would have to create these articles. Perhaps an editor who visits this AfD will take inspiration form the page and write a proper article on either or both families. If not, it can be deleted. E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:07, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Asserting that there are sources is not the same as pointing to some actual sources we can look at. Of course some of these people are notable, but that is not enough. What is needed for this page is sources discussing them as a family, not a bunch of disparate sources discussing them individually. SpinningSpark 00:17, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The page is mostly WP:NOTGENEALOGY and there is no real discussion of the group as a family. Certainly no sourced discussion. SpinningSpark 00:17, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. WP:NOTGENEALOGY with a side of WP:OR. Brigham Young is obviously notable. So is Willard Richards. However, the progeny of Richard Whitehead Young (the grandson of Young) who married Minerva Richards (the neice of Richards) are not particularly notable nor discussed as a set. The page basically consists of very notable 19th century Youngs and Richards, sprinkled with much less notable people who could be described as Richards-Young (though it seems that they did not self-describe as such). Icewhiz (talk) 06:01, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for reasons given by others. I am not convinced this is a single family. If we go back far enough we are all related. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:21, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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