Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard Butler (priest)

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The result was keep. Geschichte (talk) 12:23, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Butler (priest)[edit]

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This is one of many similar historical biographies created by a now blocked editor where the only available information is basically that a person lived, died, and held a particular office in the church. This does not meet WP:ANYBIO or WP:GNG. So the question is, does holding that kind of office (here Archdeacon of Northampton) in and of itself make a person notable? WP:CLERGY seems to suggest not, but I have not been able to find clarity on this, hence this nomination. The criteria that is applied to biographies of living people would seem to suggest that holding a role in a notable organisation does not make a person notable (WP:NOTINHERITED), and I'm not seeing why historical cases should be treated differently. Melcous (talk) 01:47, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Melcous (talk) 01:47, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Melcous (talk) 01:47, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment -- We have normally allowed articles on Anglican archdeacons, but his tenure of the office was so brief that in this case, I am doubtful of the merits of keeping it. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:44, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment -- Archdeacons fall below the the automatic level in WP:CLERGY but they are near enough to passing that marginal cases tend to be resolved in their favour. But in cases like this where the information is minimal it would seem more appropriate to write a list article and replace the individual articles with redirects to the list. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 17:50, 23 November 2021 (UTC) (But see new comment below. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 09:52, 5 December 2021 (UTC))[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 11:16, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 03:34, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Does not appear to be notable and there does not seem to be much we can write about him. --Bduke (talk) 07:51, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Butler has a sufficiently-large entry in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. I have added some content, citing both that and other sources. Many further sources can be found here (thanks to the keyword Arminianism). Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 05:21, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: a substantive well sourced entry in the ODNB is good enough. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 09:52, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: to review changes from Arbitrarily0
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 10:48, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, the new references and added info make it a worthwhile article that meets notability requirements. JonnyDKeen (talk) 21:37, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per the additional reliable sources references that have been added to the article particularly the entry in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography which is a solid indicator of notability, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 03:24, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.