Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reza Tajbakhsh (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. And salt. Sandstein 18:52, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reza Tajbakhsh[edit]

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Cross-wiki promotion (Special:CentralAuth/مدلینگ ایرانی) and re-creation of an article previously deleted via AfD (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reza Tajbakhsh), relying purely on press releases, promotional videos and interviews (no independent sources). The article subject does not appear to pass any of the WP:NMUSICIAN criteria, and looking for significant independent coverage in the WP:BEFORE sources doesn't yield useful results.

Nominated after a notification by Johannnes89 at my talk page (permanent link). ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:26, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:26, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:26, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

* Speedy keep- Hi, this article is well known for several reasons:

According to paragraph 8 and 9, the WP:SINGER states this (Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award.) Reza Tajbakhsh has won our prestigious musicema awards. Link.

The next item in WP:SINGER No. 12 and WP:NALBUM No.6,7 is the list (Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or television network.) Reza Tajbakhsh appeared on a television program on Iran's IRIB TV5 channel, which was broadcast on Iran's national television, and the subject of the program was about him.Link.

And another thing in WP:BAND is that he is a member of Zarbofoot.

And the next thing is about his concerts WP:NCONCERT. (In the year 2018, a number of pop singers led by Reza Tajbakhsh Orchestra performed the concert "Pop Romance" in the hall of the Ministry of Interior. "Pop Romance" concert with the joint performance of a number of well-known pop singers, including Roozbeh Nematollahi, Amir Abbas Golab, Reza Sadeghi, Hamid Hami, Mehdi Yarahi and Siamak Abbasi on May 14 and 15, led and arranged by Reza Tajbakhsh, was held in the hall Ministry of Interior Hall.).(Mehrnews-ilna.news-Young Journalists Club News-Tabnak).

And my last reason for the article's popularity.(Reza Tajbakhsh was present at the closing ceremony of the 33rd Fajr International Music Festival. Amir Abbas Golab and Reza Tajbakhsh sang together at the Fajr Music Festival. Reza Tajbakhsh also participated in this Fajr Music Festival as the conductor of Babak Jahanbakhsh Orchestra.)(Baamaagroup-Eghtesad Online News-Namnak-Tasnim News) And with all that said, the article easily crosses WP:GNG.Thank you all dear ones I hope I have raised all the important issues.--Modeling ^(talk) 20:36, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

* keep Awards mentioned in the article according to this ref Musicema Awards is the creator of this award indication that the subject meets GNG.--Alireza Khabib (talk) 03:09, 9 November 2021 (UTC) note that this editor's vote and comment has been struck as they are a confirmed blocked sockpuppet, Atlantic306 (talk) 01:10, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Agree with above assessment, he meets WP:MUSICBIO. Chelokabob (talk) 03:18, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Delete fails WP:GNG and was created by a sock. 219.251.78.18 (talk) 00:43, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Here is another SPA delete voter from an IP. To be fair since page is protected now and he placed the vote with a new account, this one should be removed now. Someone with higher rights, please do this. I believe there is a Rogue DELETE voter with personal vendetta doing votes from IP's. ATTN: Rosguill Chelokabob (talk) 19:13, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy {{Db-g4}}. The previous page was deleted in August, 2019. The only claim in the current article subsequent to that time is a non-winning nomination for the next year of an award he had won previously. Those (won) awards were prior to the previous AFD. So if they weren't enough to carry the article then, then a non-winning additional nom for the same award doesn't improve the situation. Much of the prose is word-for-word same as the deleted content, suggesting there is a PR firm or copyvio (uncited original) at work here. DMacks (talk) 03:57, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is not valid argument. You cannot base your decision on what happened in prior AFD. It had only one vote and a premature closure. It should have been extended another week to get more votes. He meets WP:MUSICBIO as follows:

- Criterion #6 as part of Tehran Symphony Orchestra, it has a Wiki page so it is notable Ensemble. Also he participated in Fajr Music Festival as the conductor of Babak Jahanbakhsh Orchestra. Babak Jahanbakhsh also has a wiki page so he is notable as part other ensembles.

- Criterion #8 or #9 : won four awards Musicema Awards, it has a Wiki page so it is a notable award.Chelokabob (talk) 02:05, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I have improved this article. Removed big chunk of album song listings, which was not needed, removed 10-15 bad and low quality citations and kept the better ones. Added 2 new citations. These sources are in-depth and from reliable Persian publications: MehrNews citna.ir Aftabnews.ir yjcnews navayefars.com farsnews.ir. In addition he has a profile on major musical instruments manufacturer site Kurzweil, you can't be a nobody and get such a profile! Chelokabob (talk) 03:06, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

*I agree with the are Article successful WP: GNG and WP: NMUSICIAN. keep--5.123.166.237 (talk) 11:23, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keepappears to be enough coverage of his to meet WP:GNG.Tronjan07 (talk) 19:42, 14 November 2021 (UTC) Confirmed sock Dreamy Jazz ^{talk to me | my contributions} 02:11, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 22:48, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete with prejudice. This is unambiguously spam, and has rightly been deleted from all the other Wikipedias it was created on, except for fr where they chickenheartedly plastered it with maintenance templates instead. In my view, the opinion statements offered by others above, saying that this meets the GNG, are totally unsupported by the sources cited in the article, and may quite safely be disregarded.—S Marshall T/C 23:38, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree with your assessment. The Awards are verified by citations, so he meets WP:MUSICBIO. His involvement as part of other popular ensembles can also be verified by citations, which is another criteria of WP:MUSICBIO. You can use Google Translate to read the Persian sources. I do not believe there is anything now that reads like advertisement or spam, because I cleaned it up, but if you feel anything sounds like advertisement or not supported by citations, please point it out. Chelokabob (talk) 19:03, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You're right to say the awards are verified by citations, but that doesn't by itself pass MUSICBIO. The citations need to be to reliable sources: good quality, independent sources with a reputation for fact checking.—S Marshall T/C 21:43, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

* Keep he meets (WP:MUSICBIO and WP: NMUSICIAN and WP: GNG) with policies easily compliantd.2A01:5EC0:B003:4752:9026:3EC5:D1F9:B70A (talk) 23:50, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete per nom. 106.168.123.161 (talk) 04:19, 15 November 2021 (UTC)Strike !vote from blocked proxy.—S Marshall T/C 12:01, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging @ToBeFree:, @Daniel:, @DMacks:, @Dreamy Jazz: as sysops who've participated here. To mitigate the constant disruption and sockpuppetry, please could one of you semi-protect this AfD.—S Marshall T/C 16:58, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I can't protect a deletion discussion I've started, I'm afraid ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:28, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Done _signed,Rosguill ^talk 18:59, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Rosguill if page is now protected , doesn't it mean that we should also strike this above DELETE voter from an IP??? to be fair both KEEP and DELETE voters should be treated equally.Chelokabob (talk) 19:10, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

NOTE: There are 2 IP voters that should be striked! Chelokabob (talk) 19:15, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Chelokabob, eh I don't think that's necessary per WP:NOTVOTE, the closing admin should be able to assess the discussion as it appears and the comments will be judged on their substance (which is lacking from the IPs). Additionally, I haven't seen any clear evidence that the delete IPs are socks. The protection was to stop the ongoing and disruptive spamming of sock !votes that w interfering with ongoing discussion. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 19:20, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
One IP is from Japan and the other from Korea. These scream proxies to me. Can you initiate an investigation? Chelokabob (talk) 19:33, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
One now blocked as a proxy, struck accordingly.—S Marshall T/C 12:03, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Besides the sock poppet, I seem to be the only person voting Keep. I don't see how everyone is ignoring the fact that he meets several criteria from WP:MUSICBIO above and although Persian media may seem unreliable, he has many many of them and it just shows his popularity. Several of the Persian media are popular Iranian publications. I have also removed a large chunk of un-sourced material and just removed list of singles too. Chelokabob (talk) 18:38, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Delete fails WP:GNG and was created by a sock, As I checked each source, the coverage is trivial and probably created by PR firms Mardetanha (talk) 11:32, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.