Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rex Dane

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. I'm closing this per the more convincing arguments of the "Delete" voters, despite the numerical advantage of the "Keep" voters, and despite the argument of the article creator that the sources are "not puff pieces". They do appear to be either puff pieces or mere enumerations of awards. (Except I don't know about footnote 6, the Zofeen Maqsood article, retrieved Feb 11, which today redirected me to a porn site.) Bishonen | tålk 18:23, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rex Dane[edit]

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Fails WP:NACTOR/CREATIVE. No credits outside of his own project 'Shiva' which isn't even completed (see: [1]). Awards do not appear to be notable, and are questionable given that all there is so far is a trailer. Also coverage of the subject is mostly to puff pieces or recycled press releases with contact information.-KH-1 (talk) 03:00, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. KH-1 (talk) 03:00, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: India, Australia, and United States of America. - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" ^{(work / talk)} 05:10, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments and Clarifications I drafted this page and submitted after discovering that the subject and his film Shiva won over 19 awards. I only included a few of the awards in line with Wikipedia guidelines on NPOV.

Wikipedia is not about quantity, it is about quality. Similarly, filmmaking is never about quantity, it is about quality. So the statement "no credits outside Shiva" is completely out of context. Shiva is a multi-award winning film bagging a total of 19 wins from some of the major international film festivals. That is called quality.

The source used by the nominator to buttress his statement is a press release which was never cited in the article itself. "Shiva is a fully completed stand alone short film that has its own script, due to which it has received multiple awards in short film, teaser film, micro film category. No film producer gets a best microfilm or best super short award for an incomplete project. So, it's out of place for the nominator to say the film "Shiva" is not completed".

To say that the "Awards do not appear to be notable", is also out of place. World Film Carnival Singapore , "Heart of Europe International Film Festival", "Rome International Movie Awards" and all other film festivals and the awards are one hundred percent verified on IMDB. The subject and his film Shiva won over 19 of such awards and they are all documented.

The 6 sources cited are not "puff pieces" as the nominator claimed. They are stand alone news links from some of the major press media. None of the six news articles used as reference in this article has any contact information of the subject Rex Dane. None of the news articles mentions Rex Dane’s phone number or email or street address or mailing address as claimed.

From the foregoing, I believe the page meets the demands of WP:NACTOR and WP:CREATIVE. It also meets WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG.Mfepiiaatwam (talk) 12:57, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There's a lot to unpack here but I'll try to be brief. I'm curious - could you elaborate on how the subject meets WP:NACTOR? The first criteria requires that the subject "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions". Based on previous discussions, we generally look for at least 2-3 notable productions. Note that there's no exemption that says that the subject should get a free pass if they've received X number of awards. The second criteria refers to "...unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment". I don't think Rex Dane has made any claims to that effect so we can probably rule that out.

"Quality not quantity" is precisely the issue here. You can rattle off the names of the all the film festivals if you want - but there's nothing here that would indicate that these are recognised or noteworthy. Per WP:ANYBIO #1, "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times". I don't think that any of the awards meet that definition by any stretch of the imagination.

I have go to go, but I'll get to the references later.-KH-1 (talk) 05:32, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" ^{(work / talk)} 14:50, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, Some of the awards won by the subject are notable. Overall, awards contribute to notability. The subject's work appears to have won some awards and received some nominations. But the sources in the article needs improvement to establish a clear notability as some of the of sources cited are not reliable.Myna50 (talk) 12:14, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Which of the following would you consider to be "well-known and significant award or honor"?-KH-1 (talk) 04:06, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep subject has a little above borderline notability based on the awards won. A before search indicates some sources exist to support the article. Carinco Tuck (talk) 05:01, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extra comment I found two direct sources where two of the awards mentioned at the lead were listed. They include one from Heart of Europe International Film Festival (HEIFEST) http://www.heifest.eu/season9/ and the other from World Film Carnival" https://worldfilmcarnival.com/1027-2/. The Shiva film awards are duly found on the two sources. Thank you all. Mfepiiaatwam (talk) 12:12, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Those are primary sources that simply verify the existence of the award. It doesn't show why/how they are notable. These are low-level film festivals with little to no third party coverage or industry recognition.-KH-1 (talk) 04:06, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's good you agree that those awards really existed. They are not faked. The primary sources were added to validate the awards. There are many others but I couldn't add them to make the page suit wikipedia guidelines on "NPOV". The Shiva film has won up to 19 awards as seen in this ref: https://washington-mail.com/the-romantic-short-film-shiva-by-rex-dane-wins-19-awards/?amp=1 . I believe this is enough to pass notability standards of the wikipedia platform.Mfepiiaatwam (talk) 12:02, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The awards are not even remotely close to being major. Coverage is regurgitated PR. No notability here. duffbeerforme (talk) 05:12, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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