Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Retired Enlisted Association (2nd nomination)

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This article had no third party sources; now it has some, and is therefore kept.—S Marshall T/C 15:20, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Retired Enlisted Association[edit]

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Complete lack of notability no third-party references DGG ( talk ) 22:01, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Zero third-party sources to support notability. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 13:29, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.

Diedrich, John (1998-08-07). "Retired enlisted group will honor founders - Headquarters renamed for two local veterans". The Gazette. Archived from the original on 2020-07-05. Retrieved 2020-07-05.
Pearce, Kelly (1997-05-04). "Veterans group looking for young ideas". The Gazette. Archived from the original on 2020-07-05. Retrieved 2020-07-05.
Walsh, Paul (2018-12-27). "Court orders veterans fundraiser to shut down, pay Minnesota groups $400,000". Star Tribune. Archived from the original on 2020-07-05. Retrieved 2020-07-05.
Maze, Rick (2002-03-11). "Lawmaker wants to revoke TREA charter over fund-raising flap". Air Force Times. Archived from the original on 2020-07-05. Retrieved 2020-07-05.
Philpott, Tom (September 2001). "Points of Interest: Lawmakers Blast Enlisted Group for "Bilking" Seniors". Proceedings. Archived from the original on 2020-07-05. Retrieved 2020-07-05.
Potter, Leslie (2002-06-05). "Marshall brought scone recipe from trip to England". Hays Daily News. Archived from the original on 2020-07-05. Retrieved 2020-07-05 – via Newspapers.com.
Schiller, Nicole E. (2008). "Examining Veterans' Interest Groups: Understanding Success Through Interest Group Ratings". Res Publica. Illinois Wesleyan University. Archived from the original on 2020-07-05. Retrieved 2020-07-05.
Chadwell, Samantha (2018-10-26). "Honor Their Service: The Retired Enlisted Association (TREA)". KNBN. Archived from the original on 2020-07-06. Retrieved 2020-07-05.

Sources with quotes

Diedrich, John (1998-08-07). "Retired enlisted group will honor founders - Headquarters renamed for two local veterans". The Gazette. Archived from the original on 2020-07-05. Retrieved 2020-07-05.
The article notes:
So in early 1963, Sorell and George Skonce, both Colorado Springs residents, organized the first meeting of The Retired Enlisted Association.
In the 35 years since, TREA has grown into a nationwide veterans group with 85,000 members. The Springs chapter is the largest local unit, with 3,000 members.
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The organization won other fights, such as exempting a portion of retired pay from state income tax and shielding widows and widowers of veterans from high inheritance tax in Colorado.
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In November 1964, TREA expanded beyond the Pikes Peak region to form a chapter in Georgia. Five more chapters formed before TREA's first national convention in 1967. Today, there are 56 chapters. In 1970, TREA formed an auxiliary, which now has 16,000 members.
Pearce, Kelly (1997-05-04). "Veterans group looking for young ideas". The Gazette. Archived from the original on 2020-07-05. Retrieved 2020-07-05.
The article notes:
A group to support retired enlisted service members in Colorado Springs was born out of a coffee break.
Two retired Air Force sergeants - George Skonce and Dean Sorell - wanted a way to fight for their rights and a place to mingle with fellow veterans.
As they sat and sipped coffee at Peterson Air Force Base in 1957, they dreamed up The Retired Enlisted Association, or TREA. In February 1963, they held the first meeting: Forty-four people showed up at what was then Ent Air Force Base, now the U.S. Olympic Complex.
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Today, TREA has blossomed into a 50-chapter organization with 3,200 members locally and 85,000 nationally. Dues start at $20 a year.
Walsh, Paul (2018-12-27). "Court orders veterans fundraiser to shut down, pay Minnesota groups $400,000". Star Tribune. Archived from the original on 2020-07-05. Retrieved 2020-07-05.
The article notes:
A nonprofit that sought and collected donations supposedly for paid phone cards for veterans and their families was ordered by a Minnesota court Thursday to shut down after the state Attorney General's Office said the charity fraudulently collected hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Along with closing operations, Colorado-based TREA (The Retired Enlisted Association) Memorial Foundation must come up with more than $400,000 that will be distributed to legitimate veterans-support groups in the state, according to the Minnesota Attorney General's Office, which prevailed in Ramsey County District Court.
Maze, Rick (2002-03-11). "Lawmaker wants to revoke TREA charter over fund-raising flap". Air Force Times. Archived from the original on 2020-07-05. Retrieved 2020-07-05.
The article notes:
A House lawmaker has unveiled a bill to revoke the federal charter of The Retired Enlisted Association because of what he calls the group's "misleading" fund-raising tactics.
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TREA formed the League in 1992 as a special project to serve civilian retirees. Niski said the board of directors of the enlisted association still elects the board of trustees for the senior citizens' group, but TREA is not involved in day-to-day management of the group.
Many associations such as TREA have federal charters. They are prestigious stamps of approval, but are not required for such groups to exist.
Philpott, Tom (September 2001). "Points of Interest: Lawmakers Blast Enlisted Group for "Bilking" Seniors". Proceedings. Archived from the original on 2020-07-05. Retrieved 2020-07-05.
The article notes:
Nothing of the sort, however, occurred on 26 July at a hearing of the Subcommittee on Social Security of the House Ways and Means Committee. Representatives of The Retired Enlisted Association (TREA), the ninth-largest U.S. veterans service organization, appeared under subpoena to explain their role in what lawmakers contend has been a systematic effort to bilk senior citizens.
Lawmakers and federal investigators said TREA, through a "special project" group called the TREA Senior Citizens League, uses misleading information to entice elderly Americans to donate cash and add their names to mailing lists that TREA then rents to other organizations.
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TREA itself has approximately 100,000 members, most of them retired enlisted. But the Senior Citizens League, begun by TREA seven years ago, has a donor list of 1.3 million elderly Americans, most of them persons who hope to gain better Social Security benefits through a legislative victory. League brochures suggest victory is near; lawmakers with jurisdiction over the issue say victory is very unlikely.
Potter, Leslie (2002-06-05). "Marshall brought scone recipe from trip to England". Hays Daily News. Archived from the original on 2020-07-05. Retrieved 2020-07-05 – via Newspapers.com.
The article notes:
According to the letter you received, you would not quality as a member of The Retired Enlisted Association anyway, since you never served in any branch of the Armed Services. That aside, TREA is a legitimate organization, founded in 1963 and chartered by Congress in 1992. There have been some stirrings in Congress to revoke that charter, largely due to the political activity of a subsidiary branch of TREA called TREA Senior Citizens League, or TSCL. (TSCL recently has been covered in this column in connection with its request for funds to lobby for Social Security "Notch Baby" remediation.) Both TREA and TSCL have Web sites: [websites]
TREA is listed as a veterans' services organization on the Veterans Administration Web site.
Schiller, Nicole E. (2008). "Examining Veterans' Interest Groups: Understanding Success Through Interest Group Ratings". Res Publica. Illinois Wesleyan University. Archived from the original on 2020-07-05. Retrieved 2020-07-05.
The article notes:
The Retired Enlisted Association (RE) was created in 1963 and works for the expressed purpose of “[enhancing] the quality of life for uniformed services enlisted personnel, their families and survivors-including active components, Reserves, and National Guard, and all retirees” (Retired Enlisted Association). With less wealth and membership than all previously mentioned groups, the Retired Enlisted Association very rarely takes a stand on issues that are not directly related to the interests of former enlisted service people.
Chadwell, Samantha (2018-10-26). "Honor Their Service: The Retired Enlisted Association (TREA)". KNBN. Archived from the original on 2020-07-06. Retrieved 2020-07-05.
The article notes:
In this week’s segment of “Honor Their Service,” we introduce you to The Retired Enlisted Association (TREA).
The Retired Enlisted Association (TREA) was started by two enlisted servicemen from Colorado Springs back in 1963. They saw a need for having an enlisted association.
TREA went through the whole process and was sanctioned by Congress to have a national charter. Its goal is to help and serve both active duty and retired veterans as a whole.
There are about 45 active chapters across the U.S. but only one in South Dakota. John Martinez is the treasurer of TREA Chapter 29 in Rapid City with about 550 members. John is originally from East Los Angeles and spent 26 years in the U.S. Air Force. He started out as a communication specialist. Later, he served in the Vietnam era and then spent many years serving in the NATO Nations.

There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Retired Enlisted Association to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

Cunard (talk) 00:43, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging Evrik (talk · contribs) who contested the soft deletion. Cunard (talk) 00:43, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I just reorganized the article, added a source, and an infobox. I placed all the above sources into external links. What this needs is some attention. I suggest that someone take some time and flesh out the history section, and something on the services they provide. --evrik ^(talk) 01:52, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 16:10, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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