Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Representative wind orchestra with majorettes "Dimitar Mechev"

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:27, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Representative wind orchestra with majorettes "Dimitar Mechev"[edit]

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Youth orchestra of unknown notability. Unsourced except for a link to a local news website and the band's own websites; no indication of outside coverage; no independent reliable documentation of the prizes claimed and the nature and notability of the competitions in which they were won. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:34, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bulgaria-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:18, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:18, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete : Does not cite any reference and looks like and advertisement.

_Contribs Muslim Editor ^Talk 11:41, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Explanation (Author): I appreciate your will to keep Wikipedia clean. As a matter of fact, I always insist that there is mush spam and advertisement over the World Wide Web and I respect Wikipedia for the order the administrators and experienced users keep here. But what I am trying to explain is that this article is the largest single information source for the band (just tired of calling it "orchestra"), as it is composed of the information on several old papers. I can sware before you that this article is not an advertisement, nor just an additional number of edits to my profile statistics. The page you want to delete is just a collaboration of all avaliable to me sources and it's goal is to help whoever wants to know something about the orchestra to read it, instead of making him serach old brochures. I understand that there are no references and citations, but I coundn't find any over the internet except for the ones I posted. If you think that this arcticle is not approptiate for Wikipedia, I give you the full right to delete it. On the other hand you can see that this is not the most useless and uncited arcticle in Wikipedia and (I don't want to argue, I just want to leave this article in Wikipedia), as you can see, the Nottingham Youth Orchestra article is permitted just because of the web site posted. I took a look and found it outdated and with the relatively same contents, as the references I posted for my article. So, if you refuse leaving the article I could create a web site with the same contents as the article and all the article could be cited. I will not do that, but think for yourself, is refering to material of unknown source better than not refering to anything?

Sincirely yours, Ianis G. Vasilev. As I love to say: The genius is always simple! 12:43, 9 August 2010 (UTC). —Preceding undated comment added 12:36, 9 August 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Author: Nevermind, is the article better now? As I love to say: The genius is always simple! 06:33, 10 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ianis G. Vasilev (talk • contribs)

Keep: Seems to be notable under the criteria established at WP:MUSN. From the links given, the orchestra appears to be very significant in its home city and this is verifiable. Also, it has participated in major national and international events: see for example here: a government source which mentions its participation in a wind orcestra festival in Greece. Also, this major wind orchestra festival (it has participants from outside the country, so it can be considered significant) describes the orchestra at length, also confirming its participation in multiple festivals.
The problem is that practically all of these sources are in Bulgarian, but it's never been Wikipedia policy to deny notability just because there are no English sources. Kostja (talk) 20:08, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:00, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - As per Kostja. scope_creep (talk) 22:12, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:57, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The article documents the group's history well, albeit using poor English, but this does not change the fact that it still does meet the criteria for WP:BAND or WP:MUSICBIO. It still appears to be a youth musical ensemble that plays local festivals. This is not sufficient. --Crunch (talk) 04:56, 22 August 2010 (UTC) Delete Deeply unsourced, no evidfacen n=of notability (I have found no news hits on them).Slatersteven (talk) 15:36, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Author: First - Sorry about my English. Second - According to the last criteria for WP:BAND and WP:MUSICBIO this article is valid as the orchestra had a few national broadcasts, including a recent one on radio Horizon (part of the Bulgarian National Radio network) on the 5th of June, 2010. The broadcast was about one hour, so according to this criteria, the orchestra is concidered notable (I will soon post a source). Still, it is not as notable as others, but I preserve my argument with the Nottingham Youth Orchestra (Which has approximately the same search results on Google Search and Bing) As I love to say: The genius is always simple! 16:56, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NativeForeigner ^Talk/_Contribs 05:36, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted pending source hinted at above, although right now I would close as delete

Delete. Probably should be merged to its parent chitalishte (except there is no such article). If I read this right, this is like a school orchestra. What's going to be difficult is that sources will likely come from the Bulgarian press. Note that there is apparently no equivalent Bulgarian wikipedia entry for this orchestra. --Quartermaster (talk) 13:53, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:MUSIC and everyone above. :| TelCo NaSp Ve :| 18:33, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Author: As I already mentioned, the orchestra had a few national broadcasts, including a recent one on the 5th on June this year (See article's sources). It has also multiple recordings, but most of them amateur, so I will post the records made by the Bulgarian National Radio as soon as I find them. Also, the orchestra has many articles in the "Tempo" newspaper, Velingrad's weekly newspaper (Some of them included in the External links section). We can argue about the triviality of the newspaper, but it is neither owned by the orchestra, neither depends on it. So I think bots the first and last criteria of WP:BAND are satisfied. The problem is probably the lack of english sources (The orchestra has no tours to the UK, US or other english-speaking countries) and no bulgarian article, but I promise to translate this article to Bulgarian as soon as this dispute is over, no matter what will be the result. As I love to say: The genius is always simple! 10:49, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

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