Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Remi, Nobody's Girl

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:20, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Remi, Nobody's Girl[edit]

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Unreferenced since article creation, a major tenet of Wikipedia is Verification. This fails. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:59, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Anime and manga, Japan, and France. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:59, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep No BEFORE attempted. Verifiability is only failed if someone has tried to find references and cannot. Jclemens (talk) 22:26, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete or merge/redirect to Nobody's Boy: Remi. I did a BEFORE and I am not seeing anything outside confirmation that yes, such an anime existed. Japanese article is longer but it doesn't seem to have any information on reception, awards, etc. That said, sources may exist in Japanese - but that's not an argument for keeping, just a speculation. I'd like to see this saved - ping me if sources are found and I'll behappy to reconsider my vote. I'll note that the Boy original is pretty poor too (for determining notability), but the very fact it got several remakes including the one nominated here suggests there is a notable topic here. But it is possible, yes, that not every remake needs a stand-alone article (that said, the original anime is itself an adaptation of the French novel, see Sans_Famille#Film_and_television, so it is possible that what is notable is the original novel but not the animes...). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:38, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: It looks like this is also called Remi: A Child Without a Home in English. (At least, that's the title it's given in The Anime Encyclopedia, 3rd Revised Edition, according to Google Books. That's one decent source for a Japanese programme from the early days of the internet. There will surely be others in Japanese and/or offline, so I suspect this is notable. Josh Milburn (talk) 18:09, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ArcAngel (talk) 23:45, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep 11 interwikis plus a sizeable Japanese article mentioning offshot media - looks sufficiently notable to me, considering this didn't originate in the English-speaking sphere. – sgeureka ^t•c 12:14, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Sgeureka I often agree with you but this is just a wish that WP:THEREMAYBESOURCES. I hope so, too, but we need to show those sources, and the Japanese articles is poorly referenced, I feel. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:46, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am not actually claiming/expecting there to be sources for development/reception like usual, but I regard the existance of several media (26 TV episodes plus 8 Japanese ISBN) noteworthy - which we can source.[1][2][3] etc. This is IMO not much different to the List of Lucky Luke albums situation - barely nor no individual notability, and obviously people look this up internationally (per the interwikis), so it's IMO keep- and mention-worthy as long as it's kept to one noncrufty page. – sgeureka ^t•c – sgeureka ^t•c 11:22, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I don't see a consensus here and I'm not yet ready to close this as No consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:23, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Nobody's Boy: Remi: I disagree with the sentiment of the nomination (we shouldn't be deleting articles just b/c they're unreferenced) but searches in English and Japanese (via machine translation) doesn't uncover anything useful. Ping me if sources are found. CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} 05:48, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per Piotrus. There don't appear to be reliable sources. There is a good redirect target per WP:ATD. Shooterwalker (talk) 14:12, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I found a few sources:

アニメで読む世界史 (in Japanese). 2011. ISBN 978-4-634-64054-2. - The third chapter is about this work
"歴史とジェンダーをめぐって―バーネットの『小公子』、『小公女』、マロの『家なき子』、『家なき娘』の場合川端有子". 国際子ども図書館児童文学連続講座講義録: 78. October 2014.

In addition, there are some plausible sources from the NDL Digital Collections but there is only snippet view so I'm not sure. All that combined with the Anime Encyclopedia source it should be enough. Courtesy ping @Piotrus: and @ClydeFranklin: per their request. Jumpytoo Talk 18:09, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jumpytoo This is very appreciated. Sadly, I am not able to access/translate those sources - can you elaborate on how they meet WP:SIGCOV and wP:RS? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:44, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The first source has the third chapter be dedicated to this work and one other work (the link provides the table of contents, and there is also this book review which correlates), and the second source has around half a page describing the airing history behind it, on how it replaced an anime that got cancelled because it was garbage, and how this anime also got canned pretty quickly because it was also unpopular.

The NDL Digital collections also show a few sources with potential but I can't read them, for example one of them has the following available as snippet (Google translated): "The main character of the last " Homeless Remi " is the same as the original...", and I presume it talks more about the series in the full text which is not visible. Jumpytoo Talk 07:58, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Some actual analysis of the proposed references would be helpful.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 01:21, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, kudos to Jumpytoo per sources above. Both are significant coverage and definitely reliable. The book was published by Yamakawa Shuppansha ((ja), which is a well-established academic publisher, and Yūichi Morioka (ja) is an Osaka University professor emeritus. Ariko Kawabata (ja), the journal essay's author, is also a notable academic. Given the pre-Internet era subject and the usual difficulties in looking for Japanese sources, I am surprised that there is so much online. Furthermore, it is quite obvious there is more offline. Cavarrone 08:21, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Sources provided by Jumpy should be added to the article by someone with access to them. Darkfrog24 (talk) 14:29, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the sources found. I also want to remind future nominators in general to follow WP:BEFORE. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 15:14, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.