Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reimu Hakurei

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The result was merge‎ to List of Touhou Project characters. (non-admin closure) WJ94 (talk) 12:33, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reimu Hakurei[edit]

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Despite the effort, the article's reception is mostly pulled out from game reviews and/or of course from a Japanese Wiki. WP:BEFORE shows zero WP:SIGCOV unfortunately. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 12:33, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Video games, and Japan. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:35, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Merge. I feel the article generally has enough information to be a viable article, but the things mentioned in the Reception and Legacy section are generally lacking in notability outside of a few exceptions. Some of the stuff they link to lack articles or redirects entirely. I feel it's a few good sources away from being kept without any debate, but unfortunately, in its current state, I feel it should be merged into the List of Touhou Project Characters article. Pokelego999 (talk) 01:01, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to character list. There’s got to be SOMETHING worth keeping out of this huge article (though obviously the existence itself is ridiculous when Marisa is clearly best girl ^{[just kidding]}). Dronebogus (talk) 01:15, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Searching didn't find anything that really merits the character having an article that I found. It's surprising to have no touhou articles on wikipedia, but at the same time this ain't it.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 04:40, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weak merge. There is some interesting stuff regarding Internet memes, but nothing in the aricle right now strikes me as meeting WP:SIGCOV, it's pretty much fancruft+collection of trivia. Do let me know if any serioius (academic or non-fansite journalistic) sources are found and I'd be happy to reconsider my vote. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:03, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to the list of characters - Wikipedia is not Wikia, no matter how much effort is expended on an article it is up to the creator to prove it passes WP:INDISCRIMINATE and WP:GNG. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:22, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dont Merge. If characters like Bridget are notable enough to be seperated from the List of Guilty Gear characters, Reimu is absolutley notable enough to be seperated from the List of Touhou Project characters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hyt44 (talk • contribs) 17:22, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please see WP:OSE. The sort of coverage Bridget has received is entirely different. Your stance is thinly-veiled whataboutism. Sergecross73 msg me 20:14, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The thing about attempting to look for sources is that when attempting to look for sources, the most I found were from sites that are either deemed unreliable or from user-generated fan sites. The lack of non user-generated reviews for the main series games don't help either, at least from what I've found so far. That being said, I'll attempt to find the final references later in terms of overall reception and also trim some biographical information. SuperSkaterDude45 (talk) 18:18, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The key is not to force the creation of an article when sources aren't out there. Gather up the sources first before even trying to write it and ask yourself whether they would hold up if its notability is challenged. Otherwise you end up with articles that are probably better being done on FANDOM. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:55, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Zxcvbnm: Thing is that this is currently the fourth fictional character article I've written here and from what I've gathered from prior discussions are that protagonists generally have less requirements for notability then say, a side character. This isn't even mentioning that prior articles had notability issues... despite having a sizeable amount of content regarding notability. Regardless, I'll be looking to expand it once more for final thoughts to be made. Either that or I'll probably continue to work on it on my sandbox if it gets relegated to a redirect once more. SuperSkaterDude45 (talk) 02:01, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not certain that protagonists have less leeway, just that they are more likely to pass it than non-protagonists. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 02:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So I recently spent the past three days attempting to find references and results were pretty scarce when it came to non-user generated reviews with the few reviews I could find often times focusing purely on gameplay and music rather than story. Despite this, I did gather enough sources to give the Reception section its own area, creating a new section for popularity. I still don't know if this is enough to justify a standalone article but given reliable sources for gaming were already used and further expanded, potential sources for new titles both official and fangame as well as outside commentary, I believe that the article at its current state at the very least qualifies for WP:HASPOT. Unless I'm missing something and fictional characters require at least two paragraphs for their reception section, I'd say that Reimu has more going for her own article than some other fictional character articles I've used as reference when initially creating it. SuperSkaterDude45 (talk) 06:26, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The legacy and popularity sections have merit, but the reception is pretty light. I'd encourage you to keep at it in a user subpage or a draft and continue working on it. I can, at least, help clean it up when I have time. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 08:44, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge. I'd like to see a Reimu article, but as it is, the article simply does not have enough notability. It's not the worst I've seen by any means - I mean, the fact that a flower was named after her is not nothing - but it's not there yet. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 01:58, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge. She looks like she has barely any more notability than any other character in List of Touhou Project characters. NegativeMP1 (talk) 16:56, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge there just isn't enough WP:SIGCOV to support this article. Shooterwalker (talk) 22:18, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Merge while keeping open the possibility of a standalone article in the future. Much of the current article is fancruft. Partofthemachine (talk) 14:36, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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