Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Regard (DJ)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. A redirect can happen outside of the scope of this AfD. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 17:45, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Regard (DJ)[edit]

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Nothing in the article indicates why the DJ is notable to have his own page. Anything here is already covered on the song he remixed with more details. © Tbhotch^™ (en-3). 03:05, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep does meet the "Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart" criteria of WP:NMUSIC, specifically for "Ride It" which was number 2 on the official UK charts. It does appear that Regard might be a "one-hit wonder" as this appears to be the only significant things he's done. But he is covered in multiple reliable sources, so does meet WP:GNG as well, for example coverage in BBC, Rolling Stone, Celeb Mix. The article is poorly written, but the subject is, I think, notable. The Mirror Cracked (talk) 03:20, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 03:48, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 03:48, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: This article was already nominated for deletion and the deletion was declined. We are over it. The page clearly shows that the artist is notable, Regard’s song “Ride It” was a Top 5 hit in Australia. The artist is clearly notable. The only thing that needs to be fixed is the table I made, it is done wrong because I’m using an iPad and cannot do the right “. Also, we could live with that anyway, and I’m sure someone will fix it. CheatCodes4ever (talk) 04:48, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This argument is the WP:NOTAGAIN fallacy. Narky Blert (talk) 07:19, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or at a push redirect to song. Subject has one cover song that does not even have an article of its own. Too soon for article of non notable artist imo. Rob van vee 08:58, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
~~Weak delete~~ Delete, because the subject does not meet GNG in my view. Very limited coverage, for what is essentially a niche SINGLE EVENT. A couple of the better more indepth references available are actually interviews and hence primary. Weak, because they do meet subject NMUSIC by charting (reasonably well, but only for a short period) in a couple of countries, but which for my view has a far too low bar. Brief, one, but not chart topping, hit wonders should not have a presumption of N, especially if they have nothing else of any notability at all. Aoziwe (talk) 13:24, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Changing my !vote to Redirect. The remix by the subject is definitely notable, and a likely search term. There is no indication I can find that the subject himself is notable in his own right, and notability is not inherited. So redirect from Regard (DJ) to Ride It (Jay Sean song)#Regard version. Aoziwe (talk) 05:54, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Looking further, Regard did reach Number One in the official singles chart in Ireland: [1] which seems pretty notable to me, especially combined with Top 5 charting in at least two other countries. I tend to agree that the NMUSIC criteria is a low bar, but it is the agreed bar, nevertheless. Until it is changed, we should judge AfDs on the basis of the consensus view expressed in the notability guidelines. The Mirror Cracked (talk) 19:49, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm. But the only way such gets challenged is by having discussions at AfD or arising at AfD and going over the guideline. So that argument is a rather circular block I think. But that is another discussion for another day. Cheers. Aoziwe (talk) 05:54, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A random AfD is about the worst place to try to get a notability guideline changed. If you want to challenge one of the WP:NMUSIC criteria, then start a discussion on the talk page and get consensus there. The Mirror Cracked (talk) 06:12, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

NMUSIC explicity says "may be notable if", it is not an immediate pass for notability and it still subjected to WP:PEOPLE. © Tbhotch^™ (en-3). 21:44, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me, there is notability. I have mentioned and sourced that “Ride It” peaked at number 3 on the ARIA. Stop saying that this page shows no notability. Also, if you say that the only notability is that it charted, that is good enough. If you have a high-charting song, It should get you a Wikipedia page. So stop saying that. It’s inaccurate. CheatCodes4ever (talk) 19:32, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notability is not WP:INHERITED, that is both Regard and "Ride" It must be independent of each other, like in the sources The Mirror Cracked gave (still, they are primary sources: BBC and Celebmix are interviews and Rolling Stone is not about Regard, but how his remix re-popularized the song). Both sources in the article come from ARIA and are merely discussing the performance of "Ride It" in Australian charts not Regard as a person. Outside that the article merely says "Regard is an artist who released a cover of the Jay Sean song Ride It", which itself is a WP:BLP1E, it doesn't satisfy any WP:BASIC or WP:ANYBIO criteria. © Tbhotch^™ (en-3). 21:40, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Please !vote only once. Narky Blert (talk) 07:25, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You know what guys? If you don’t like what it shows, I suggest you edit the page with reliable sources. Instead of deleting my articles, fix them. It’s a better idea. And you can’t call me lazy for that. I just can’t do it. CheatCodes4ever (talk) 02:30, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, I don't think anyone can do it because the sources don't exist. Redirect for me. Doctorhawkes

Please !vote only once. Narky Blert (talk) 07:25, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(talk) 20:56, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Ride It (Jay Sean song)#Regard version. It is unusual for a version of a song to pass WP:SONG but the performer to be non-notable; but it can happen, and this is such a case. Notability is not WP:INHERITed. There is no evidence at all that Regard gets anywhere near passing WP:GNG, WP:NBIO or WP:NMUSICIAN. Narky Blert (talk) 18:36, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Ride It (Jay Sean song)#Regard version. This remix is the only thing currently worth including in his article. The song's page already has a completed version of what the artist's page is trying to be. Skeletor3000 (talk) 19:09, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I've expanded the page, using the already noted BBC article (which is not an interview) and the Rolling Stone article and new articles by the Radio Times, Music Week and Billboard. There are at now seven published, independent sources on the article, which I believe is enough to pass WP:GNG. I've also noted that Regard's work received significant airplay and charted in a number of countries including at number 1 in Ireland and number 2 in the UK, so it meets WP:NMUSIC. I invite contributors here to re-asses the article. The Mirror Cracked (talk) 19:14, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Thanks for improving it. My opinion on redirecting is based on the fact that there is already an article on the song, and so far there's no evidence of his notability being independent from that song in any way. The BBC appearance you added could very well be the start of some external notability, but WP:CRYSTALBALL also applies, and I suspect that he might just be popping onstage with Jay Sean for Ride It. If the discussion is relisted, I suppose we'll find out and adjust accordingly. Skeletor3000 (talk) 20:25, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Yes it is a better artilce, but 2/3 is about the song, not the artist, and another 1/6 is about the artist only because of the song. So, I still think a redirect and merge of any relavent song details to Ride It (Jay Sean song)#Regard version is the better way to go. Aoziwe (talk) 04:50, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. This is the WP:LOTSOFSOURCES fallacy. Please identify which of those sources make Regard independently notable. Narky Blert (talk) 07:32, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No, it is not. I already gave you three examples of in-depth coverage in reliable sources. Here they are again: BBC, Rolling Stone, Celeb Mix. The Mirror Cracked (talk) 01:07, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 12:57, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as it meets the criteria "Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart" of WP:NMUSIC, specifically for "Ride It" which was number 2 on the official UK charts. Honestly, cannot believe that this was even nominated for deletion. Technohead1980 (talk) 14:26, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect The remix of the song is notable, the remixer is not. Case of WP:TOOSOON, with a redirect it will be easy to deal with should the person become notable. --Goldsztajn (talk) 10:40, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - of the three sources mentioned above: (1) BBC: incidental coverage of the remixer, focus is the song (2) Rolling Stone: no discussion whatsover of the remixer, entire focus is the original artist, the song and the app (3) Celeb Mix: this actually is a piece about the remixer, although is completely puff-PR and not a quality source (which the first two would be considered).--Goldsztajn (talk) 10:56, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.