Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rebecca Harris (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 21:03, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rebecca Harris[edit]

Fails notability as a chess player, no non-trivial press coverage. WP:ATHLETE says notability is achived by competing at the highest level, she has only achieved the relatively weak WFM title which doesn't even come close, and all her tournament wins are junior tournaments.

We've deleted people before with the WFM title like Catherine Lip,[1] and even men with the higher FM title; in fact most men with the still stronger IM title don't have articles. And if you look at the crosstable of the Zonal where Harris got her WFM title (http://www.chesschat.org/archive/index.php/t-5079.html , see post of 12-05-2007, 12:31 PM) the tournament only had one player with an Elo rating over 1900, and ~~she~~ Harris came equal 3rd - not (IMHO) a result which confers notability.

Article was previously kept largely on the basis of press coverage, but the two press items offered were trivial: Penrith Press and Chessbase. Penrith Press is a local newspaper, one of the "Community Newspapers" published by News Limited.[2] If it's anything like my local community newspaper, it has little stories on local junior athletes all the time, and this does not confer notability. Chessbase is indeed a notable chess publication, but if you look at the article in question,[3] it is simply a background piece on the Australian contingent going to a large tournament. It's not clear why they profiled Australian players - it appears that it was simply because someone put together a nice photo piece and sent it in to Chessbase - but I don't see how one article automatically confers notability on the seven players they've profiled. Peter Ballard (talk) 03:55, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Not sufficiently notable at this time. She has potential to be notable by Wikipedia standards but I don't think she is there yet. Her success so far is in events limited by age, sex, and nationality. We (the chess project) usually include ones prominent by one of these (i.e. a junior champion, a national champion, etc), but not by three such limiting factors. Bubba73 (talk), 03:53, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Game-related deletion discussions. —Cunard (talk) 05:58, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. When a tournament is limited to someone of a particular age, and gender, and nationality, there is a good chance that it has excluded all the notable players, so that even winning that tournament is not a real claim to notability. The 1800-rating is well below master level, and far below the International Master level (~2400+) where notability starts becoming borderline. Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:11, 17 November 2008 (UTC

Delete for reasons given by nominator. A 19-year-old of either gender rated 1875 is spectacularly non-notable. My own rating at Harris' age was 2044, and I have no doubt that that was clearly non-notable. Krakatoa (talk) 20:03, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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