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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was DELETE. postdlf (talk) 22:53, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ray Jay (director)[edit]

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Promotional possible-autobiographical article about a filmmaker of questionable notability. No significant claims of notability (a short film in a festival, but no awards), no signifcant coverage in independent publications. Since "Ray Jay" is a very common term (over 2 million returns, most not about the subject) a Google search on his actual name ("Rehan Jainulabdeen") only shows 32 returns. TheRealFennShysa (talk) 18:38, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Links have been added to 2/3 [citation needed] areas. the reason to not have any references for the 3rd one (re-entry)at the moment is because the film is currently in pre-production. Ray Jay is a fresh filmmaker coming out from a country where cinema suffers because it does not have ways to get out. I believe that this young filmmaker deserves a spot here. this article will help Wiki readers from around the world know more about struggling filmmakers from poor country's. Please consider your nomination for deleting this page. There is a lot these people have to offer to the rest of the world but being unable to do so because of the lack of support that comes. Reena F.(talk), 18 February 2011.
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:16, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, not because the films aren't interesting but because neither of the relevant policies WP:GNG nor WP:FILMMAKER is met. As the article does not make a claim of notability under any of the sections of WP:FILMMAKER, the real question is GNG. The sources in the article do not contribute towards the sourcing requirements of the GNG for the following reasons:
    • "R13 Studios Website". WP:PRIMARY
    • "Grindout Productions Ltd. Website". WP:PRIMARY
    • "Hope - Short Film" WP:PRIMARY
    • "South Seas Film & Television School Graduate Employment List". Link doesn't work. When the link is corrected to a link that does work, it is possible with some effort to find an entry which is likely the person that's intended [1], which certainly verifies some information but doesn't do anything to my mind to establish notability.
    • "Med TVNew Zealand's original waiting room channel". Does not mention the subject of the article.
    • "CHASE - The Showdown Begins". WP:PRIMARY
    • ""Train To Kandy" Exported out of the timeline". WP:PRIMARY
    • "Please Let Me Sleep on IMDB". WP:PRIMARY
I have made an effort to look for reliable, secondary sources to establish the notability of this filmmaker under the general notability guideline, and haven't had much success. The commonness of the subject's name does make searching more difficult, and it is certainly possible that I've missed other sources, so if reliable, secondary sources providing significant coverage of this artist are presented, or if I've misclassified one or more sources here, I'll be certainly glad to consider a change of mind. --j⚛e deckertalk to me 19:04, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • "South Seas Film & Television School Graduate Employment List". Link works now.
    • "Med TVNew Zealand's original waiting room channel". Does not mention the subject of the article-(because the subject does not work there anymore and the that company has removed all employed bio out Since 2008. Search 'Rehan Jainulabdeen MedTV" on Google and you will see the actual Medtv website appear but because the page was removed you cant see the page. If thats not sufficient, the south Seas Film and Television school link conforms that he was employed at Medtv.
He is known for his work in Sri Lanka but 98% of the local news papers do not have the articles published online until very recently . even then its only about 2%. Even the Television stations in Sri Lanka has just started making content available online.
Its up to you guys to do what you want. The tragedy is that these filmmakers will never have an opportunity to be known because they haven't been talked about in a Major paper or online source(international). How can they? when they do not have a way!--Reena F.(talk), 19 February 2011. —Preceding undated comment added 21:02, 19 February 2011 (UTC).[reply]
Comment Reena--Thank you for fixing the links! Unfortunately, that doesn't still leave us with a source that yet goes toward meeting the general notability guideline. Here's something that may help: One of the things that I should add is that it's entirely okay to source newspaper or magazine coverage from Sri Lanka, even if the article isn't on the internet, so long as the article really provides in-depth coverage of the individual. So if a reputable Sri Lankan newspaper (as an example) did a profile article on Ray Jay, that would be pretty significant. If a couple newspapers did (not republishing the same article, but different looks at the filmmaker in different years from different authors, say) that would be even more compelling. You'd want to make sure you included the newspaper name, author, publication date, article title, maybe a page number, so that other people who might have access to that newspaper could verify the information, but we do make use of off-line and non-English resources at times. It's also helpful in such cases to include a small quote from the article (a sentence or so that echoes without copying directly what's in the article), and a note as to what language the quote is in if the newspaper is not written in English. Hope this helps! --j⚛e deckertalk to me 21:24, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • CommentThat can be done. I will need a few days to gather all that information and make sure that i post them here the correct way.--Reena F.(talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:08, 20 February 2011 (UTC).[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:21, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This artist is very good newcomer film maker from Sri Lanka and I think all people in the world also all Sri Lanka People living other country's needs to know about up and coming film maker from Sri Lanka. Sri Lanka television talk about him make film "Train to Kandy" recently on local film program. [User talk:Asanka Hits]] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asanka Hitz (talk • contribs) 20:46, 27 February 2011 (UTC) — Asanka Hitz (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 08:23, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Per Joe Decker, this article doesn't seem to meet WP:GNG and WP:FILMMAKER at this time. Sophus Bie (talk) 08:50, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It would be more Humane if the respected Wiki admins can change the notice from ‘considered for deletion” to “This article has multiple issues”. This filmmaker is supposed to appear on Sri Lankan National TV and another privately operating Sri Lankan Television Channel, Two news papers one English and one Sinhalese for his new film Train to Kandy. The announced timeline for the Television interview are in two weeks. This is really an insult to this filmmaker and other filmmakers from Third World Countries. They don’t get enough global publicity because of the cultural isolation. I am kindly requesting to keep this article until this filmmaker’s representatives submit more provable information to meet Wikipedia’s so called notably. ED HARRY — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ed Harry TKO (talk • contribs) 14:34, 6 March 2011 (UTC) — Ed Harry TKO (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • Delete. While I wouldn't want to delete an article about a major filmmaker from Sri Lanka just because his films were not known in the United States, this article has not clearly established that this person is a major filmmaker. It is difficult for a filmmaker from any country to attain notability just by making short films, and apparently the only feature that Ray Jay has completed so far, Chase, is sourced only to a 30-second trailer on the IMDb web site. There is no indication that Chase has been theatrically released in Sri Lanka or elsewhere. As Joe Decker indicates above, most of the sources that have been provided so far are primary sources (his own companies' web sites, Facebook, YouTube, etc.) which are not independent sources to establish his notability. If Ray Jay is going to receive mainstream newspaper and television coverage in the future, that means that an article about him can be re-created in the future. Consensus can change; the more Ray Jay accomplishes as a filmmaker and the more he gets media coverage, the more likely it is that a Wikipedia article about him can be accepted. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 17:34, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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