Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ray Galletti

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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 01:32, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ray Galletti[edit]

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Zero reliable sources or evidence of notability. Prod removed on completely spurious grounds. —swpb^T 13:00, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This debate has been included in the list of Quebec-related deletion discussions. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:49, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The article does have a source, Imdb. Also the PROD was not spurious. Anyone can object to a WP:PROD. Giving a reason for doing so is optional....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 15:31, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

To editor WilliamJE: IMDB is not a reliable source. It has never been a reliable source. Its content is user-submitted. Yes, giving a reason for prod-removal is optional, but if a reason is given, it shouldn't be based on a falsehood, as this was. The reason given in the edit summary was "makes a claim to notability, so passes PROD". Well, that doesn't reflect what WP:PROD says at all. It suggests a policy stance that does not exist, and never has. —swpb^T 17:08, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

- Further comment with irony I along with another editor at Montanabbw's talk page suggest you WP:DROPTHESTICK. Secondly note to all participants in this AFD- The editor who nominated this article for deletion originally wrote[1] 'Zero sources or evidence of notability' not Zero reliable sources or evidence of notability. This AFD 'doesn't reflect what' it was when it was created. It isn't proper wikipedia etiquette (If not policy too but I'm not absolutely certain) to edit a post once someone has replied to it except under certain limited conditions....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 17:50, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Doesn't pass WP:NACTOR or WP:GNG. Even if his role in Arrow is considered significant (which it's not, since it was a one-off appearance), that's only one role and NACTOR calls for several. He had recurring appearances in TV shows Connected, Saints & Sinners, and Desire, but I can't determine if they were particularly notable roles. Additionally, almost all references to him I can find online are cast listings or synopses of works he's been in, nothing to show actual notability. clpo13_(talk) 18:28, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- To expand on the three TV shows I mentioned earlier: Saints & Sinners and Desire were canceled before airing all of their episodes (Saints & Sinners, for instance, looks like it aired 22 out of 62 total, based on information at TV.com and IMDb). Both shows were also a product of MyNetworkTV, whose scripted shows flopped so bad that they quit the original programming business entirely. Connected looks promising (since he was the lead, according to IMDb), but I have found absolutely no information on it, even when filtering out Morgan Spurlock's show of the same name. The same problem exists for Saints & Sinners, which shares a name with a more recent show. It's almost impossible to show that Galletti had significant roles on these shows when I can hardly find any information on the shows themselves. clpo13_(talk) 23:06, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, ..." Galletti seems to have appeared in 14 episodes of Desire (TV series), 9 episodes of Saints & Sinners (2007 TV series), and was lead in the less well-known comedy TV series Connected (which survived for two seasons, so wasn't a complete flop). I accept that these are sourceable principally to IMDb, which lists 51 credits for Galletti, but does anyone seriously contest his part in these, even if further sources should be sought? WP:Notability doesn't require the sources to appear in the article, only that they exist per WP:NEXIST, or are likely to exist per WP:NPOSSIBLE - remember this article is just a fortnight old. --RexxS (talk) 22:40, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Sources provided are not ideal but provide adequate number of credits to pass WP:GNG. Montanabw ^(talk) 03:37, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No number of credits confers an automatic GNG pass because listed — GNG is a measure of the quality of sourcing that can or cannot be provided to support the article, not of what the article says. Bearcat (talk) 21:44, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per RexxS & MontanaBW. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:54, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Dane2007 ^talk 12:17, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete RexxS uses the guideline quote: "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, ..." and lists the shows this actor has been in as proof of notability. But the guideline states significant roles. Everything that this guy has been in, besides "Connected" has been background roles, even the shows where he's appeared multiple times. "Connected" is not a notable show, as I cannot find anything outside of its IMDB listing on Google, so that doesn't meet the multiple notable films, television shows provision of the guideline either. Valeince (talk) 20:52, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. IMDb is not a reliable or notability-conferring source, for the purposes of getting a person over a Wikipedia inclusion rule — it's permitted to be there as an external link, but its presence does not make an article referenced enough to be kept (although it is enough to justify AFD over prod as the vector of deliberation over the article's includability or lack thereof.) And neither NACTOR nor GNG is passed by unsourcedly listing a bunch of roles that a person has played — it's passed by showing evidence that the actor has received reliable source coverage in media for the playing and the majorness of those roles. But nothing written or sourced here shows that at all. Bearcat (talk) 19:13, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 20:51, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and Salt Fails to establish any notability whatsoever. WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG not asserted. Also IMDB is generally not a reliable source, per Wikipedia:External links/Perennial websites#IMDb. Scope creep (talk) 12:13, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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