Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ray's Hell Burger

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Courcelles (talk) 02:35, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ray's Hell Burger[edit]

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Non-notable burger joint in Arlington, Virginia. Briefly gained attention in the press for one event, a brief stop by Barack Obama and Dmitry Medvedev to have a burger before heading to Washington D.C. Otherwise, completely unimportant. City of Destruction (The Celestial City) 23:39, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:NOTNEWS. Claritas § 10:47, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Virginia-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:01, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:02, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete, weakly, per nomination. The link to Ben's Chili Bowl is telling; that is a local restaurant that has genuine cultural or historical significance, enough to meet WP:CORP. This one... I looked, and found coverage of the President's visit, and a few mentions in local newspapers. I'd be open to being convinced otherwise, but what I found doesn't cut the mustard. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 20:49, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Obvious Keep Oodles of major media sources discuss this subject [1], [2] many of them prior to recent coverage related to El Presidente [3] as as well as substantial notation in books [4]. There are literally hundreds of articles. The restaurant is referred to as "famous" and as an "institution". It's notability will only grow in coming years as President Obama visited a second time during a well publicised meeting with Russia's president. The attempted deletion of this article by those who may be communists and/ or health food nuts is likely part of a larger conspiracy involving spies and other deceitful individuals seeking to promote ignorance of this subject among the proletariat. Freakshownerd (talk) 19:05, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note the above user created this article With respect, it is extremely offensive to accuse other editors of being "communists" or "health food nuts". I have never heard of this eatery before, and I would strongly reject both labels. If this restaurant is genuinely notable and locally important, then it should be expanded so that it doesn't simply cover Obama and Medvedev's visit last month, which all the news coverage seems to be about. Unless it's some kind of ironic in-joke, I'm not even going to both responding to your rubbish about "a larger conspiracy involving spies and other deceitful individuals seeking to promote ignorance of this subject among the proletariat". City of Destruction (The Celestial City) 20:07, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Are you now or have you ever been a member of a communist party? Do you associate with known communists? Do you engage in health food nuttery? Freakshownerd (talk) 23:45, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - This topic has received very significant coverage, much of which had nothing to do with the Obama/Medvedev meeting or even anything to do with Obama.[5][6] [7] Coverage even comes from The National (Abu Dhabi) [8]--Oakshade (talk) 04:24, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: The article under discussion here has been flagged for {{Rescue}} by the Article Rescue Squadron. SnottyWong ^communicate 23:04, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Note The article under discussion here was tagged for {{Rescue}} by anonymous SPA 64.255.164.103.[9] Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 01:56, 13 July 2010 (UTC) 05:44, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per my comrade Freakshownerd. Don't let the bourgeoisie get you down. SnottyWong ^communicate 23:04, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. There were many edits on July 11 and 12, and yet, still no further info added that proves any notability. -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 02:59, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Do you mean the edits that added citations of significant coverage and showing its popularity?--Oakshade (talk) 05:57, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I added a few more cites -- though relatively new, this has received a phenomenal amount of coverage for a DC restaurant. Mzoli's pales in comparison.I did not find this AfD though the Rescue tag -- but via perusing 7 day old AfDs--Milowent (talk) 05:23, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - WP:NOTINHERITED. It is a run-of-the-mill burger joint that has only gained a bit of press because the president went there a few times. Tarc (talk) 14:57, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is this a straw man? WP:INHERITED has nothing to do with the "keep" arguments which are based on significant coverage that not only have nothing to do with Obama, but were published even before Obama was even nominated.[10][11][12]--Oakshade (talk) 15:12, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, WP:INHERITED doesn't make much sense unless this burger joint was the child of notable burger joint parents. SnottyWong ^squeal 16:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Er, it helps to actually read the page before spouting off. Inherited is not purely for familial relations. Tarc (talk) 16:32, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And surely not for burger joints that are anything but "run of the mill". In the chicken and egg debate, Ray's was already famous (in record time) before Obama came, which is why Obama came, no doubt making it much more famous.--Milowent (talk) 17:24, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep - The place has received a great deal of coverage, and significnat coverage in addition to the Russian/U.S. presidential visit acknowledged in the nomination. Even if one disregards president-related coverage, it probably satisfies WP:GNG/WP:CORP with several reviews and other significant local coverage. Regardless, the president-related coverage alone would be sufficient. The presidential-related coverage pertains to two events, the already mentioned Russian president with Pres. Obama and--several months before that-- VP Biden with Pres. Obama that garnered at least U.S. national coverage, so WP:ONEEVENT (or an entity rather than person-focused variant/analog of it like WP:NOTNEWS) does not apply. Why the restaurant is receiving such coverage is irrelevant. At some point, a place regulary profiled and repeatedly in the news becomes notable. City of Destruction, I think Freakshownerd was trying to be funny in insinuating you are a communist, or worse, a health food nut. If not, shame on Freakshownerd. Novaseminary (talk) 18:15, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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