Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rauf Hasağası

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The result was keep‎. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 01:59, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rauf Hasağası[edit]

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Not enough sufficient SIGCOV to justify inclusion – book looks like a passing mention only to source the trivia of him being a referee. All my searches found no SIGCOV InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 19:06, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Olympics, and Turkey. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 19:06, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Note that old Turkish sources are ludicrously difficult to locate and find, per here. But we do have evidence that Rauf is mentioned in Türkischer Biographischer Index, the Turkish Biographical Index - per WP:ANYBIO, those with an entry in a country's biographical dictionary are considered presumed notable. Such a presumption should stand in a case like this where we have someone who clearly was one of their nation's most prominent athletes who we just can't find sources for due to them being ridiculously hard to locate. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:17, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Failure to meet these criteria is not conclusive proof that a subject should not be included; conversely, meeting one or more does notguarantee that a subject should be included. Can you find any other SIGCOV which would determine notability aside from being mentioned in passing? InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 03:57, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
However, we need to use common sense when someone is presumed notable and we have absolutely no access to the sources that we know are 99% likely to cover him (i.e. athletes of this caliber in countries that we do have access to sources for will always have ample coverage - we have no access to old Turkish sources, and in the discussion I linked above, someone pointed out that the newspapers of the time would only refer to someone by their first name, making it even more difficult to find sources - generally I find that when Olympedia gives a decent biography the person is usually notable, and they do in this case). BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:58, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@InvadingInvader, thank you for your message. Can you find any other SIGCOV which would determine notability aside from being mentioned in passing? -- Yes, the subject is covered in-depth in Öktem, Niyazi (2005). Sultani söyleşileri: Galatasaray'dan anılar (in Turkish). Derin Yayınları. ISBN 978-975-6463-60-4.. This is far more than a passing mention, and it helps determine the subject's notability. --Habst (talk) 17:42, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, thank you for your nomination and I added some information to the article. Hasağası was covered significantly in this book, in addition to coverage in the Turkish Biographical Index. He set seven Turkish national records and was a major part of Galatasaray Athletics in its early years. This clearly meets WP:SPORTCRIT as significant book coverage exists. --Habst (talk) 17:39, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 23:53, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per above. Appears in the national bibliographical dictionary of Turkey and should be notable according to the guidelines. Sources and points presented by Habst are also convincing. Aintabli (talk) 05:36, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.